Maz O'Connor: Reinvent, Don't Retire. Why Your Best Years Are Still Ahead

It's never too late to start.

At 55, Maz O'Connor had built the life she'd manifested 15 years earlier: a beautiful home in coastal Victoria, her own yoga and event space, a thriving community. By every external measure, she'd made it.

Then a voice she couldn't ignore said: there's more.

So she sold the house, sold the car, packed up her life, and moved to Bali, not knowing where she'd live or exactly what came next. Today she's the founder of The Longevity Project, helping women 55+ navigate the next chapter with confidence, strength, and purpose.

In this conversation, Maz and Jack talk about:

🔸 Why the "retire at 67 and life will be amazing" story is an illusion.

🔸 The difference between purpose and ego, and how to tell them apart.

🔸 How Vedic meditation dismantled her need for external validation.

🔸 The vision board question that stopped her for years: "who are you to live like this?”.

🔸 Raising boys as a single mum and why she said "make good decisions, because you own the consequences”.

🔸 Why she had more when she risked less, and how downsizing created more freedom, not less.

🔸 Health as compounding wealth: why your body works exactly like an investment portfolio.

🔸 The "arena" analogy for life; players, coaches, and the crowd that doesn't matter.

🔸 A live demo of a scanner Maz is bringing to Australia that measures cellular antioxidant levels.

Connect with Maz:

Instagram: @mazoconnor 

Instagram: @thelongevityproject_au 

A note from Jack: Maz has a commercial interest in the wellness scanner and supplement pack she demonstrates in the second half of the episode. As always, do your own research, and remember you can't outsource your health.

Transcript

Maz O'Connor 0:00

I sold everything but the house, car included, and and I moved to Bali. There was a voice in my head as well from my mum from decades earlier that said, Can't you just settle?

Jack Graham 0:11

How you look at your health with investing? Because when you invest, you can see the money. You can see that line going up over time. And again, it's never too late to start. When I had more, I risk less. Hear longevity, like, yeah, I want to live for longer, but they don't think about how they're going to live. And what you're doing now is very important and is going to affect your life.

Maz O'Connor 0:31

Oh, mate, you've seen nothing yet. I've not even gotten started. Bit of a silence and chop it all together.

Jack Graham 0:40

Maz, thanks for coming on the podcast. I'm excited, Jack. I am stoked you're here.

Maz O'Connor 0:45

I feel quite honoured. I feel I've a bit of an outlier as well, like from your audience. A little bit of an outlier being a bit older in the demographic that listened to you as well. So I'm excited to share and to add value.

Jack Graham 0:59

Maybe in the audience that listens to, but my guests, you're probably just another awesome person with an awesome story to share. So I appreciate you coming here. My pleasure. We've got a few show notes that we that you sent through and that I've put together. But one that you sent through. I'm nervous. Go. I know what we're going to talk about. Dogs. Uh yeah, dogs. Everything we're going to talk about, women's health, finding your purpose. Yeah. Everything like that. I love it. Obviously, that's a topic true to me, finding help, helping people find their true form. But then I've seen this. And I was like, I've got to start with this.

Maz O'Connor 1:39

Okay, I'm going to take a deep breath.

Jack Graham 1:40

Go. Selling up everything and moving to Bali. What really happened?

Maz O'Connor 1:44

Yeah. What really happened? So I think it's a dream. It's a dream for a lot of us. And I know younger women in Australia as well see this beautiful utopia of the bikini-clad uh influencer living in Bali and uh having a global brand, a global business. So I'd done many retreats over the years in Bali. I've got and lots of girlfriends. One of my key mentors and girlfriend Uma that runs many retreats there. We were thinking about buying a retreat center. So before I actually sold everything up, 10 years prior to that, I was going to sell my house and buy a retreat center and partner. And I was just thought that's probably not appropriate. So then once the dog left home, the children left home, my beautiful partner was working FIFO work. I said to him, doesn't matter if you're coming back to Melbourne or coming back to me in Bali. I said, I'm going to move to Bali. So I live in Summers. So for the listeners, it's a regional part of Victoria. It's really beautiful. There's dolphins and koalas and a beautiful community. And I'd built a retreat space of my own there, which was an event space, a yoga space, and other facilitators would come in and run their programs. And I loved being that that bit older again, but being the spaceholder rather than the facilitator, I loved that space yet. It was so beautiful. I thought, can I do this for 30 more years? Live in this same place. It was easy, it was beautiful. Community venue that I had. And so it's time to shake things up a bit. So uh I sold everything but the house, car included, and and I moved to Bali, not knowing where I was going to live either. I knew I didn't want to go over on the west side, which um for those listeners that have been there, it's very busy. Um it is very uh polluted, it is chaotic, and I knew I didn't want to do that, so I went over on the um east side, which was probably a little bit too quiet. Um yeah, I think in retrospect, I could have I could have made a different choice on that. Um, but what I wanted to do was um build and expand a global wellness brand uh in partnership. But how was I going to do that? And I figured if I wanted to build a global wellness brand, what about I'll go and live globally? So I got to Bali to start with and then went off from there. Okay. Uh is that brand still happening? Absolutely, yeah. So again, it was Jack. When I left, uh I was about to leave Australia. I I had been bringing in from the US a beautiful, it was a product, a solo product, it was beautiful. Um, a very high collagen, Astaxant, and it was doing incredible work, decreasing inflammation, brain health, but it didn't feel right. And about a month before I left, I was still going, and then something else came into my inbox by someone who um I wanted to support them. They were going through a difficult time, and and then they turned it around and said, Maz, you need to have a look at this. And it was in the AI and the wellness space, and I couldn't unsee what I saw, and it was about putting health and well-being into the palm of the of the owner of of ourselves, and and I knew that I could run with that. I didn't know how it was gonna work, but you know, it's just that trusting moving anyway, and that trusting that's gonna happen.

Jack Graham 5:21

Let's go back to leading up to moving to Bali, yeah. So, what was life like? And I know you said, Oh, I just want to create a global brand, but why move and why Bali? Like what what inside was making go let's go somewhere else.

Maz O'Connor 5:41

So as a woman of a certain age, I was 55 at the time, and I knew that it I could be more and do more. And I had such a beautiful life. And it was a life that I had dreamt that had been on my vision board for years, probably 15 years before buying this property in Summers. Like I had seen it, I'd seen the window, I'd seen the curtains, I'd seen the yoga space, I'd seen the ocean, I'd seen the I saw everything, and it all came together, and it was all that. And so part of me is like, just be happy, you've created this. And it was still like, and there was a voice in my head as well from my mum from decades earlier that said, Can't you just settle? I remember thinking, nah, no, I can't. There's so much more. Women 50, 55 plus is is very much who I speak into now. And when when we get there, maybe we've had a breakdown of relationship, our children have left home, maybe the dogs left home. Um a lot of women also don't have enough super. They're either still renting, they don't own their own homes. So I also wanted to be a lighthouse for other women that either had bigger dreams for themselves, um, which is what I'd done in my earlier career as a mama with two boys as well, is to be a lighthouse for other people and a safe port. But I knew I could also do more being this age. And so I just did it my way. And it's been really interesting, the the comments that I get, the women that are following. Um, and in Australia, and I think you'll find the same, Jack, as well. Those that are following us on Instagram or listening to the podcast, um, they're listening and they're watching. It takes quite a way for a long time for the Aussies to lean in. Europeans and Americans, Canadians, they lean in pretty quick. Hi, I've seen what you're doing, I love what you're doing, but here we're a little bit slower. But there's people that are watching, and I wanted to be that lighthouse for other women. I appreciate that.

Jack Graham 8:02

As you said, a lot of people, and you can say 55 plus, but it's leading up to that as well that's very important. And I think people need to start paying attention as soon as they can before they get to the point and they retire and they go, Oh, who am I? What have I got? What am I gonna do now? So yeah, like I said, I appreciate you doing what you're doing because it is a lighthouse for people to then go, Oh, yeah, okay. Like either I start building it now or I am 55 plus, I'm not finished with my life.

Maz O'Connor 8:34

And Jack, that's one of the things I I want my messaging is as well, is it's never too late to start. 100%. So whatever the change is, and and maybe you've been on a particular particular trajectory, it's okay to switch. And I think even more than ever, it's okay to move and switch now. The I believe it's an illusion that when we get to 67 and we retire, life is amazing. I don't believe it. And as you are talking about in so many of your podcasts and the people that you're interviewing, we are all living longer. So we need to more than ever be in charge of our own health. And again, it's never too late to start. So even if it is 55 and you've got a particular diagnosis or you found some information, it's never too late to make the changes. And that magic number of 67, we're going to be living into our 90s and into our um hundreds. Probably in your generation, I would suspect I'd get quite close to that as well. And that means a third of our life is in retirement and we don't have enough financial resources to do that. I I truly believe our government doesn't have enough resources for us. So therefore, we need to look after our health and our wealth. And what I believe that I'm doing here with the work that I'm doing globally is that um we're bringing both together, supporting people to build their wealth and their health. Yeah.

Jack Graham 10:07

Couldn't agree more. And you've I've got that in the notes about health span and lifespan. People are hear longevity, like, yeah, I want to live for longer, but they don't think about how they're going to live. And what you're doing now is very important and is going to affect your life. And I don't know if I'm fortunate enough, but anybody like you don't need a podcast to learn this stuff. I've just been fortunate enough to work with like I've got clients that are in their 80s, 90s, even, and I get people on the podcast that are 50 plus that are saying, hey, this is what I would have done when I was your age, start doing it, and I'm starting to do it, and it's paying off. And yeah, wealth when people think of wealth, they think, Oh, I need to have millions of dollars. You just need enough to live the life that you want, and that looks different for everybody. And yeah, in Australia, it's gonna be interesting. I I've put a lot of time and effort into this. Is one of the lessons I I just recorded the 300th episode, and it was 12 lessons from 300 episodes. And one of the lessons was trying to tie how you look at your health with investing because when you invest, you can see the money, you can see that line going up over time. You dedicate 30 years to an investment, it's going to go up like this. When you look at your health, it's hard to see those. Like, yeah, you can do all the measurements and all that, but at a certain point, you just can't see those numbers going up and up and up. Uh, so what I want to sort of transition into, there's a couple of things I want to go back on. We'll go back onto a couple of things and then go into practical things that people can do.

Maz O'Connor 11:47

Can I just touch on that before you go back? I'm reading a book at the moment, I can't remember the name of the author called The Compound Effect. And it is absolutely, we when we think about compounding, we often think about our finances. Um, compound effect is exactly the same with our health. And and I'd love to share with you later, Jack, like a way that we can measure really simply where you are right now, and then measure the changes at home going forward, and you can see how the compound effect takes hold in our health.

Jack Graham 12:17

Yeah, and I know you've got that device here, and I'd love to touch on it because you've showed me it before. And I think things like that, like you said, using technology, AI, and your health is if you use it in the right way, it's just going to help you understand these things so you can track it like your investment. Like my super, I can see it now, and I can see it going up and up and up. And it's rewarding when you can see that. You're like, oh, okay, when I turn 65 or 67, I know I'm gonna have roughly this much because I can actually see it, and when you can see your health metrics going up, it's the compound effect. Uh, so yeah, we'll dive into that. But what I want to come back to is that thing that everybody gets in their mind when they've got that vision board, they get that success, and it's like, ah, okay, I've succeeded, I've got all this, but there's still something missing. I find a lot of people are chasing external validation, external things to make them happy, and when they're chasing it and they get there, and they're like, ah, okay, that's not how I thought I would feel when I achieve this home, success in business, a body that you wanted. So, what would you say to people that are going, okay, like I'm I've got everything, I'm happy, but there's still something missing? How do we find that internal happiness rather than looking externally? Purpose.

Maz O'Connor 13:41

I was really fortunate to be in a room yesterday with uh Lewis Howe, um, podcaster, the School of Greatness, and also uh a Melbourne guy called Aaron Sansoni. What's our purpose? Why are we here? And when we are younger and we're either looking for that partner, or we are married and we're going to build our family, or we're raising children on our own or in a family, it's very uh self-focused, the family, the unit. And what has broadened my vision is that w I was I had great resources, financial resources, owned my home, um, good income that was coming in, and there was still this and and and what and what now. So I think purpose. So the vision and and it's around the alignment that I've got now with the organization that I've partnered with. I know that I can do so much more with other people. Where when I was talking about the studio that I had um down in uh Victoria, it was my own studio and people would come in. I could only really impact so many people. I think when we join forces with others, you know, your podcast, Jack, how you spread other people's vision and their purpose wider, you are um it's like a trampoline that that is uh amplifying others where so much more when we work together. So it it comes down to purpose and understanding that.

Jack Graham 15:23

One thing I have been trying to figure out the difference between purpose, ego, what is success. It's hard to sometimes because you think, oh, purpose, but then like that's money, that's fame, that's thousands of downloads on the podcast, but it's not, it's this. Like I love the conversation. Regardless of whatever happens on after it, this is why I do it because I love the opportunity to talk to people like you, yeah. And it's taken me a long time to understand like my purpose is that not the money and the fame that would might come from the podcast. I don't know if you get famous from doing it, but how do you help people find the difference between what's like true to them, their true form, and what's external influences telling them, oh, you need to get the new car or the new boat?

Maz O'Connor 16:14

Yeah.

Jack Graham 16:15

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Maz O'Connor 18:21

Jack, one of the things that I that I did years ago, I believed that I was meditating. I'd listen to a nice little little something on my phone or a recording, and I would shut my eyes, and I believed that I was meditating. I think what I was doing was being mindful. I was then introduced to a guy called Johnny Pollard from One Giant Mind. Excuse me. Johnny's an Australian guy and was a Vedic meditator. And so as it happened, it was 2018, and so I thought, that's great. So I'm meditating. I learnt through Johnny, this one giant mine, and I was going to open a meditation studio because I know meditation makes a difference and changes people. The teacher will come when the student is ready. So I did my training with Johnny. Are you familiar with him? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. And then in our small community, um, that beautiful place that I was living, I was teaching meditation online. COVID came, I was teaching online, and then the teacher arrived, this incredible man called Tim Mitchell, a Vedic meditation teacher of 25 plus years. And the Vedic meditation is what shifted everything for me as well. So it took me out of the ego because I would do a lot in fundraising, a lot for community. And I thought that I was being altruistic, but what I was being, that's what gave me validation. Look at me being a great person. I can do this for this, I can fundraise for that. And with the Vedic meditation for me was a really such a beautiful, gentle, soft mirror of I see you, and it's okay, and there's another way. So yeah, the the teacher, I think, was the biggest thing in that, and understanding that it's not external and it's it's it's in here. It's in here. It quietened my very excitable pom-pom shaking mind down to not needing to be the person out the front, to being the one that can hold the space, and change happens within me first.

Jack Graham 20:47

How do we bring that change as you said, 55 plus mothers? Yeah. Kids have moved out, dogs probab possibly left home as well. They've been out of work for a little while. Obviously, don't get me wrong, I'm actually envious of people that have had to have had the chance to raise some kids. I I think there's no better thing to do in this world to to than to do that. Obviously, that was their identity, and it's an amazing identity, whether you're being a mother, father. But that's changed. So how do we help them, I guess, quiet the noise of the ego and who they used to be, and then find who they want to be? Great question.

Maz O'Connor 21:37

We're talking before about the being the lighthouse. Who are the people that you really uh are looking and are living the life that you'd like to live? Watch what they're doing, there's steps that they do. Jack, I put something together when I moved to Bali, and it's just someone, because I was getting a lot of questions on my social media, and it's just a little free giveaway. That I give people, you touched before on a vision board as well. Have it have like start to write down what would it look like? What could it be like? What would that relationship be like with maybe there's a partner still? Where would you want to live? And in that, take away that judgment that's in our brain as well. I remember I did a vision board years ago, and I wrote down the yoga studio, the space, the curtains overlooking the water, and then immediately came into my brain: who are you to live like this? You're a mum, single mama, two kids, you run your own business. That's pretty big dreams that you've got. And I physically shut it down. I dreamt it and then I shut it down. One of the things that both Lewis Howe and Aaron spoke about the other day was give yourself permission. So women at 50, 50, 55 plus, give yourself permission to make this part of your life, this what I like to call the third act. I borrowed it from Jane Fonda. My audience will understand why that's important. Why this third act can be our best act as well. Because we're not in the parent, we're not in the children raising phase. Maybe we're happy being single, or maybe we've got a great partner, but we've we've made some big decisions. We're not in that also that stage where we're wanting to create a family like we either have or we've created our family by our community. And when we're talking about purpose, where can I add value? We've got so much knowledge. Where can we add value? What community do I want to be part of? You know, where do where do we want to live? Who are the people that are going to inspire us? I went over to Bali and hung out there for a bit. And then I actually went to India Jack after that. Now that was massive learning in terms of community and how we're more. That was extraordinary. But who do you want to be? Look to those people that are already doing that. Please, as an Australian woman, reach into the DMs because we will respond to you. One of my best, actually, my best friend, my life wife, is a woman called Jane McCann. And Jane has uh a very strong Instagram following. Um, and she's called the The Middle-aged Goddess. And Jane just started on social media because her own mental health wasn't great, and she'll be fine with me speaking about this. And she was purely dancing on Instagram, and she danced on Instagram because it made her feel good, and if it made her feel good, maybe it'd make one other person feel good. I think her audience is now close to 300,000, maybe more. But she's talking about how this part of our life, this middle-aging and beyond, is an incredible part, and it's lifting so many people as well. So hang out with those people that are living the life that you want to live, even if it's virtually.

Jack Graham 25:16

I love what you said about giving yourself permission. We're always sitting there waiting for somebody else to go, oh yeah, you can go do that. You can go start that business, or you can move to Bali. But when you realize it's on you and no one's coming to save you, like obviously there's people around you that love you and want to help you, but it's you. Like you need to give yourself permission to go on do it. You can't sit there waiting for people.

Maz O'Connor 25:38

So, Jack, one of the things, and I spoke about it on my socials as well. One of the things that I realized I was doing was holding myself back. And I was doing it because I was concerned about what my family would think. Not my children, but what my extended family would think. And I was with um my beautiful family member, and and this one particular family member said to me, Oh, Maz, we laugh at you all the time. What are you doing now? Oh, you're a podcaster, you're a radio host, oh, you're a yoga teacher, you're a coach, you're this. We laugh at you all the time. And initially, my heart, I went, oh. And then immediately I went, oh mate, you've seen nothing yet. I've not even gotten started. And the reason that I share that is don't hold yourself back for somebody else because they're only seeing you through their own lens. They're only seeing themselves through their own lens. They couldn't do that. It doesn't mean that that you can't. So look at the people that are making the changes. And as you said about, you know, off-air we're talking about starting the podcast when you first started. It wasn't great. It doesn't matter. Does not matter. You are in the arena. Brunei Brown talks about uh the quote by I can't remember his name. You're in the arena and you're playing full out. So the people in the stadium, what they're saying or what they're thinking, we don't even care about that. We care about the people, we've got goosebumps, Jack, I can feel it. We care about the people that are in the arena and what we're doing and how we're playing full out for them. Yep.

Jack Graham 27:20

I love that analogy, and I think about that all the time. Life is just like the football game on the weekend. You got the players, people trying their best, they're training for this game all week, all year, however long they've been training. So they're giving their 100% effort. You've got the referees that are controlling the game, but then you've also got people on the sideline telling the people how to play the game that can't play, don't want to play, but they've got all the opinions, and then you've got the people in the crowd that are just supporting the people playing. So it's a good analogy for life because you're going to come across all those people in many different scenarios.

Maz O'Connor 27:56

And Jack, what we didn't speak about there was the coaches. So the coaches that have either been in your place on the field and have got the experience, um, that have a special skill that they can add to you on the field. So that's something that that I I I always look to is get yourself in rooms with people that are way beyond you, and maybe that you feel a little bit, what's my space here? Get yourself in that space. Get yourself a coach, get on the field, even if you are the worst, get get in the space. Because we can be, we can be in the bleachers, we can be giving opinions, we can be yelling at the referees. They don't matter. No, unless they're shaking their pom-poms and supporting us. Love to you too. But we're you're on the field.

Jack Graham 28:48

Yep, 100%. And it's that choice. Like, if you want to play the game, you've decided and you've given yourself permission to play the game. So that's all that matters, and you're playing, whether you're terrible at it or the best at it.

Maz O'Connor 29:03

I'm just thinking, even the water boy has a really important role in that as well. Yeah, that collaboration.

Jack Graham 29:10

Yeah, uh I I think about that a lot. The arena of life is just like a game like that. There's all these different players, supporters doing all these different things. So having this conversation this morning with another coach about the people you surround yourself with as well, like you said. And I like how you've with that vision board, you've you're trying to find people that you want to be like, and it's quite hard sometimes because it's like you see people and it's like, oh, that's out of reach, or I can't do that. But when you start vision having that vision of who you want to be, those people, and yeah, trying to get in those circles and surrounding yourself with different people, you start to realise, ah, okay, I can do this, I can play the game, and then you start playing, and it's awesome.

Maz O'Connor 29:54

And even if it's not good to start with, like the podcast, I was with you, Jack. I decided, can I share this story? Of course. I had worked with one organization for 18 years, and I loved it, and I loved being with them, and then this one day just came in really clear, we're done. And so the same, like I sat with it, sat with it, sat with it, and then eventually was like, we are done. And walking on the beach, and I know the beach is important to you as well. I was walking on the beach and I was just saying my prayer, and there's a particular post on the beach down where we live, and I called it the wishing post. Have I told you this story before, Jack? Yeah, but continue. The the wishing post, and and I'm walking towards the wishing post and I'm saying my prayer. It's like, use me, how like use me. I've got the time now, I'm not working full-time in this space. It was a bit of a transition space, use me. What how can I bring the most value? And then as I got and I put my little pebble on the wishing post and I said my prayer, really clearly dropped in. You're doing a radio show, it's called you first. Um, and and it just everything dropped in, everything that needed to be done. And I'm walking along going, a radio show? I've never worked a panel, I don't know how to do this, how do I speak on radio? All of these things I needed to do. And by the time I got to 20 minutes on, I got to the one cafe, my mate Pete was standing on the stairs of this cafe, and I went, Pete, and I looked up at him and went, I'm going to do a radio show. And I just spat out everything that I was going to do. And Pete goes, Yes, sit down, we need to talk about this. And so he was right there. And so within an hour, I had already contacted the guy, the general manager of the radio station down uh on the Mornington Peninsula, and I pitched him the idea, and then I was on air within four weeks, having learnt how to use a panel. I was freaking terrible, Jack. I was so bad. I didn't know where the dump button was, where the music button was, where anything was. I got anxious, I got nervous. But again, I was I was on air and and I was doing it. Um you don't have to be perfect, you just have to start.

Jack Graham 32:08

I can appreciate that. And you you were live on radio as well, where this is pre-recorded. If I stuff up, I can chop it out. Which I never do. I never do.

Maz O'Connor 32:16

I don't like editing out the Yeah, I've noticed that, which is really lovely. And and I've noticed that even the spaces that you give people to get to their to get their answer, it's beautiful.

Jack Graham 32:29

But that's how a conversation is. A lot of people say, Oh, do you edit out the quiet spots or the arms or the butts, whatever it is? No, like when you're talking to somebody, that just naturally happens anyway. So why would I make it unnatural? Like not everything's meant to be perfect, it's just meant to be what it is. Yeah. Alright, let's get into some practical stuff.

Maz O'Connor 32:52

Okay.

Jack Graham 32:53

So I used to ask this question a lot, and I think you're a good person to ask. If somebody wants to improve, say they've come to a realization, hey, like you know, I'm happy, but there's room to improve. Should they focus on their physical body, their mind, as in mindset, resilience, that sort of stuff, or their identity. Is there a different thing are they different? Should you work on one or the other, or should you work on all how should people approach that?

Maz O'Connor 33:26

That's a big question, Jack. I'm going back, I'm gonna pop back to what we were talking about before about the c the compound effect. Just the 1% make a difference. Mel Robbins has got the five, I think it's five, three, two, one. Think about it, do it. Think, do it. So it might simply be that you hold yourself accountable when the alarm goes off in the morning that you get out of bed, that you don't hit the snooze button four times. It's it's just the little things. Let's stop ruminating, let's stop thinking about it, let's do. So I'm going to say the first one, which is the physical, let's just do. One of the things that I that I do now is when I think about somebody, I don't just think about them, I call them. I call them, they don't answer, that's fine. I leave a voice memo, I was thinking about you today, Jack. Um, wonder where you are in the world. I'm back in Melbourne, I'd love to connect with you. If they get back to me, great. But what that means is like multiple times a week I'm connecting with people. Having been away for a while, a lot of people still think I'm away. So if you think about something, you do something. So I guess that's the physical in that one there.

Jack Graham 34:42

That's hard for people to do. But just peep because like you said, people just ruminate, ruminate, ruminate. How do we take action? I find people think a lot, especially when it comes to me with my PT clients. They get it, they get motivated, they think about what they want to do, and then that's where it stops. Like getting them to the gym, getting to the gym is the hard part, the action.

Maz O'Connor 35:07

Yeah. Um we touched on it before, Jack, not perfection, just do something. So for example, today to be in here, my thought was I could go to the gym at 6 a.m. But the reality is I will not get up at 6 a.m. But I will get up at 6 30 and I will take the dogs for a walk. Um, and I will do some movement in the park, and then that then I'll get here on time. So don't set unreal, unrealistic expectations. Do what you know that you can do and and and honour that. Yeah, I would love to say I'd get up every morning at six and go to the gym, but that's just not gonna happen. Me too. Says the coach, the PT coach, yeah. It's just not gonna happen. So be realistic and do something over nothing. And please, not perfection. I know I stopped myself for years. What will other people think? And and what if I look stupid was the other thing as well. And even when it came to dating as well, like I wasn't going to go out with someone because I was always thinking about the long term, but it's okay just to go for a walk and have a and practice connecting. That's okay too. It doesn't have to be perfect.

Jack Graham 36:25

Yeah. Connecting. We won't go there because that could be a whole big top topic of it.

Maz O'Connor 36:33

You said the same thing, Jack, even here. Like what you love is the is the connection here, aside from the fact like your beautiful audience that is listening, and they get to be like the fly on the wall listening to this intimate conversation. This is where the joy is here.

Jack Graham 36:49

Yep, yeah. Yeah, and I think people put like you said, when it just comes to having a conversation, they has it has to be perfect, it has to be the perfect setting, they have to say the right things. You don't have to, like, it can be awkward, it can just be hello, how are you? And that's it. Like people are just so scared of talking. And like my experience in the dating last couple of years, it's like people just yeah, won't like I'm like, let's just catch up, have a conversation. And it's like, oh, there's too too much pressure, it has to be this, has to be that. And it's like, no, it doesn't, just let's catch up. It's okay.

Maz O'Connor 37:24

You know what I used to do, Jack? I would take people for a walk. When I was dating, I would just go, hey, meet me down here, we'll go for a walk. That's that way, got exercise in, yeah, got a bit of a chat, and saw how fit they were. Perfect.

Jack Graham 37:40

All right, we won't we won't go there. We'd have to do a whole nother. I'm sure we could share a lot of good good stories and possibly good tips. Um, I want to come back to health. Like, so what can people practically do? What what have you seen has the biggest impact moving forwards? All right, one and I want to look at it from the lens of, like we said, small little things over time add up. So, what are the simple things that people can be doing to improve their physical body?

Maz O'Connor 38:12

So, Jack, my past training is as a nutritionist. So I trained many decades ago in that space, and so much has changed. I also worked at one of Australia's leading health retreats as it opened up again decades ago now as well. Um, I myself have raised boys and have worked with women for so long. We all know there is no shortage of information. Where are you getting your information from? I think is really important as well. You have exceptional guests on your show. So much that's come through. You yourself are a coach and a PT, the information that you share. I I would go the one thing, sleep, get good rest. I'm guilty of it myself. I don't always do it, but I think number one is get good rest. And there's so many, yes, um, making sure that our diet is is high in the macros that you're often talking about as well. Like there's so much that's in there as well. Put yourself first. Put yourself first, and when we do that, we're more for everybody else. Mark Boris talks about he has a non-negotiable bedtime. He gets up really early, has a non-negotiable bedtime. Make a non-negotiable, and it's not that it's a rule for yourself, it's honouring yourself. So start with one thing and and have it stack. The one thing, maybe just drinking more water, go to the bathroom, have a glass of water. I'm sure that your guests have spoken about these through throughout the years. My my mission now is a million healthy households. So with a million healthy households, that's quite difficult to say, Jack. A million healthy households is not just about the individual, but how do we impact those that we that we love and that know, love and trust us as well? How do we get some really simple metrics on that too? Something that's daily where we can just shift the dial 1% as we have at Stack as well. Just choose, just choose one thing. Is it the going to bed? I've got an alarm on my phone every night at 9 30 that says, I'm excited, I'm going to bed. Sometimes I just push stop, other times I do it.

Jack Graham 40:41

Yeah. And it's yeah, it's never perfect. It's never going to be perfect. Life is life and things get in the way. But putting yourself first, I love that. Yeah. And I'd love to hear why you named your podcast Putting Yourself First, because it is so important. And it's hard sometimes as coaches, as you probably know, you put everybody else first. And I find mothers are the worst at this because they're always putting everybody first, and they're all pretty much the ones holding everything together. And if you're not putting yourself first looking after you, and you fall apart, then everything else is going to fall apart. So I I think it's very important for everybody, but mothers out there to put themselves first. Not only does it help you become healthier, give more energy to other people, but it sets a I had a guest talking about this, and it's just such a great point. It sets a image of what your kids expect as well. Like it's not selfish, it's like, oh, mum looks after herself, she's healthy, she's always got energy for us because she's doing these things. I'm gonna start doing those things, and that's that creates a generational change, and I love that.

Maz O'Connor 41:54

Jack, so much that you've just hit on there as well. So when my children were young, um, we became a unit of three um when they were three and five, and I was very devoted in those years to Bitcrum yoga. So I was probably practicing three or four times a year, sorry, to a year um a week. And for those audience that don't know Bitcrum yoga, I was very big back in the I'm gonna say the late, the late 90s, I think Bitcrum came to Australia, or the the method came to Australia, a really hot room. I think it was around about 40 degrees, humidity around about 90 plus percent. It was an hour and a half in the room, it was big. So I would make I would go to and practice three or four times a week, and my children were young, and my youngest would cry when I'd go, and when I needed to get sitters in so that I could go. So it was a decent time investment, but also financial investment. And I I remember squatting down and and holding little Riley's hands. I said, like I do this because it makes me a better mama, and when I'm a better mama, what do we get to do? And one of the really big things in our life was adventures, like the the three of us was adventures, but adventure could be um going to the park and and playing parkour or uh going to the beach and throwing a frisbee. So anything was an adventure, so we get to do more adventures when mum is well, when mum is happy, um, because I was working a lot and really odd hours there as well. But what it was showing the boys is that if mum is well, we're all well. I got home one Saturday after yoga, they had a sitter in with them, and they'd done all these pictures of mum, like yoga mum, they called me, and um mum is happy because mum does yoga, and I've still got them. So, exactly what you were saying when we put ourselves first, and I'll share with you about how that came, we're so much more for others. So the the radio show was uh and the podcast was exactly that you first, and what I found with everybody that I interviewed. And I think there was probably 200 in that series that I did. Everyone that I interviewed came to be when they put themselves, there was always a sliding door moment, something happened, an injury, a trauma, a separation, a death, whatever it was, but there was a sliding door moment. And then when that guest or that that person put themselves first, always they were more for everybody else as well. So I think it's the least selfish thing that you can do is put yourself first. And I know when I first heard that from a coach that I was working with, it was like she is so selfish. Um but we can do it, we can do it in a way that it's always to serve others more.

Jack Graham 44:50

Yeah. I think it comes back to that first point we're talking about. When it comes from a place that if you are putting yourself first from a place of what you want and like your true form, instead of putting yourself first to achieve money, fame, numbers, downloads, like there's a difference, and people can see that. Like there's that's selfish where putting yourself first in the place of for you, people see it, people know it, people can feel it. So I think that's I agree. When you say put yourself person first, people like oh it's very selfish, but when you can start to see the difference between I guess the ego and yourself.

Maz O'Connor 45:34

Yeah. Yeah. And you can be more of service. You know yourself, Jack, you couldn't do what you do without the sleep, without the training, without the nutrition. You could not, you could not do this. I was married years and years ago to a guy that was a really incredible broadcaster up in Sydney, an amazing and amazing broadcaster. Yet he didn't look after himself. And at the age of 44 developed diabetes type one. And then there was also some chronic mental health you know challenges that were in there as well. He is an incredible human and and he still works as a broadcaster, but his health has suffered because he didn't take those steps to look after himself and to undo, to undo the past, undo the past. We said earlier, like it's never too late to start, to undo the past. He was incredible, but also where he found his uh his worthiness was in the ratings, was in the public approval, within the rooms that he was inviting into. Who we are when no one's watching is our character.

Jack Graham 46:54

Yeah. It's hard, not easy to see that. I've had these little red lights, Lumiflex Body Pro, for a few weeks now, and it goes with me everywhere and it goes on me everywhere. I love putting this on my belly in the morning just to help my digestion get rolling. Any little niggles I've had from training the day before goes on there a few rounds and I'm ready to jump back in the gym. It's absolutely crazy how fast you can feel the effects of this red light therapy device. It comes with these amazing little straps that you can literally strap it to any part of your body, joints, limbs, anywhere. So anywhere you need a little bit extra recovery, it can do that. A couple of rounds of the red lights, and you are good to go. And you can get access to Lumiflex Academy, where you can actually start learning about the benefits of red light therapy and how to use it properly so you can actually see the benefits in your body as well. So check out the link, lumiflex.com.au, use the code TrueForm and get 10% off your Lumiflex products. Question from that is how do we help somebody like him see that? But I don't think you can. They've got to see themselves, don't they?

Maz O'Connor 48:07

Absolutely. The the best way is how do you choose to live your life? So he's he's an extraordinary human, but when I said to him, being a mum, so we're touching on being a mum as well, being a mum of a at the time, a three-year-old and a five-year-old, I said to their dad, I'm going to take these children and raise them into good men and and good community members, great brothers, whatever else. It was a bit of a bit of a sermon that the poor guy copped. Um, and he went, okay. And he needed to raise himself and look after himself, and I raised these these boys into into into who they are now. But it was a massive decision. So again, you know, putting ourselves first and what's our purpose? Because I really believe, and you touched on it, Jack, as mum and particularly mothers of boys, we can raise these men into great men. And I've seen it over and over and over. My my son, I've mentioned to you, Dylan, is currently doing something called it's a charity run called the shitbox rally, where they drive a shitty old car from Cairns down to Melbourne, and it's a fundraising event that they do. That's the sort of thing that I wanted my boys to be part of. Um, and they're doing it off their own bat now. So again, um, it's a fun thing for him to do, but he's doing it, I think they've raised 15,000 for Cancer Council.

Jack Graham 49:37

This is a bit of a side tangent. I don't know if it has anything to do with anything that we're talking about, but I've had a previous guest, Ben Renion, and he spoke about his family and adventures. You've you've mentioned adventures before, and like I sort of got a bit emotional, and I loved how you put yourself first to get the energy to go on adventures. When you say adventures, what does that actually look like? So would you dedicate holidays? He he got to the point where he realized that he was just disconnected, walked away from a multi-million dollar consulting business, and just took his family and travelled the world and skied the world for three years. Ran out of money, didn't care, just did whatever he could to make some money and went on that adventure. And he said it was the best thing he could ever done. He made great connection with your kids, family, country. So when you say adventure, what do you mean?

Maz O'Connor 50:34

Yeah. So I touched on the fact that it could be throwing a frisbee down the beach after school. Uh it could be going to the park. I like risk, and and one of the things I would always say to the boys is make good decisions because you own the consequences, and I don't do hospital visits. So that's how I raise them. So um, so so risk was really big for as in take risks or don't take risks? Take risks. Okay. Absolutely take risks. When the children, I'm gonna go back to the adventure part. When the children were little, I love talking about parenting Jack. So I love talking about dogs and parenting and adventures. When the children were really little, and um, we're with mothers' group, I wasn't living in Sydney at the time, Dylan would be climbing up whatever to get to the slide or something, and I would hear others, other mothers say, Don't go there, you'll fall. I would just be like, I'd go, mate, you have so got this. Three points of contact, two feet, one hands, two hands, one feet, off you go. You're amazing. You've so got this. And those mothers from mothers group still say to me, like, the way that you let your boy do whatever. If we can make those small um mistakes when we're younger, when we get older and our and these boys, when they're finally free, is generally when they're behind of you know a couple of tons of um a vehicle and they can put their foot to the floor and feel that freedom. Let's get them to make these calculated risks much, much earlier. You know, let let's let's have the freedom in there, like going out and surfing. What does it feel like to be on a wave? Or what is it, you know, to overcome the cold that's there, to be with your mates on those sorts of times. So adventures can be as small as scaling that that little bit of a cliff that you're doing. One of the other things that the boys used to do, I think it was called longboarding, where they'd go down those big hills. So what we would get in a car on a Sunday and just go adventuring, and we'd just find the biggest hills out sort of in the hills of Melbourne here somewhere, and I would park the car on the top of the hill, and these kids would go up and down these massive hills on their longboards. Um, I'd work generally in in the vehicle, and then we'd go to the next big hill. So that's what I'm talking about. Adventures, like if we've got the ability, like Ben, successful business and go skiing around the world, do that. It's taking risks.

Jack Graham 53:21

That's all about and I do think it I think you're 100% right. Like start young, take those risks, and you just develop a I I think it is a skill to understand what's good, what's bad after doing it for me for 40 years, like you start to know what you can and can't do, but also push the boundaries and get uncomfortable and take those risks. Sometimes I think I am a bit too I do like taking risks as well, because what's the worst can happen? Because I've done so much previously, both physically, business, money, financially, taking a lot of risks. A lot of failed, some have succeeded, but you just start to realise that what is the worst that can happen? Yeah, sure. You might break a bone, but bones heal. You might lose all the money in your bank account, but you can fill it back up again.

Maz O'Connor 54:17

And I think that I started to speak on that point just before, Jack. When I had more, I risk less. So when I, you know, the home, the money in the bank, the business that wasn't doing really well, I was risk averse because I wanted to protect. And I think, or not I think, I know in reducing what I'm carrying has enabled me to I've reduced my outgoings, and so I found that I can I can create more opportunity that way too.

Jack Graham 54:50

Yeah. I did want to touch on that, it was on my notes as well. Like letting go of material things. You spoke about the car when we first got here, how you've sold the car. I sold my car when I first moved to Melbourne as well. And like my family's like, but you need a car, like you you what are you gonna do? You need a car, and it's like, well, I don't. And it's like, what else are you holding on to in your life that you think you need that other people think that you think you need that you don't need? And car is a good example. Obviously, there's times when you do, like I used to be a tradie. Obviously, I needed a car to take my tools around. I can't jump on a bike and carry the tools everywhere. So obviously, there's a use case for cars, and they are useful in certain circumstances, but not always. So it's a good practice to let go of things and then see what happens.

Maz O'Connor 55:44

And then bring in about I'm going to say maybe eight years ago, I sold a house and I started to rent again. So I just put that money away and I started to rent again before I bought the property that we're talking about that was a retreat space. And I didn't I spent everything in buying the new property, and I had no money left for furnishing for beds or anything like that. But as the money came back in, then I'll, you know, buy buy bits and pieces. But what was really beautiful was that everything was deliberate that got into the house, and I just did without until I had the money to get the next piece, and also part of my agenda was how much could I get from marketplace? How much could I get either if someone was gifting me something, but it was really lovely to have it really deliberate, and then it was interesting. I built everything back up, and then five years later I got rid of all that, and then I have even less that I carry now. It's really freeing.

Jack Graham 56:53

Let's we've got about we've got a little while to go, and I really want to dive into what you're doing now. So, what is it that you're doing now? And maybe we could do a quick demo.

Maz O'Connor 57:05

Love to so, Jack, what what we spoke about earlier was in terms of um our health being our greatest wealth. How can we sc uh how can we get a measure easily, quickly? How can we get an aging measure? So what I came across about two years ago was an organization that was bringing to market a particular scanner that I'll show you in a second. And what it does is it measures how quickly we're aging. So it gives a score, and then what it's able to do, not just for you. So you know, when we own an Apple Watch or an or a ring, that data is simply for you. What this does is anybody in your household. So when I talk about a million healthy households, it's something that everyone can very easily scan. It's great for children in the family, uh, it's great for you know for you, your partner, anybody else that comes to visit. I was listening to one of your podcasts with Beth today as well, of being the health detective. So this is just such an easy way that we can work out what's happening in your body really quickly. The first thing it measures is our antioxidant levels, and we know when we have lower um oxidative stress, free radical damage, we've always got higher antioxidant levels in our body. Now, antioxidants, and I'm sure that you you would know this, Jack, and your audience would have been shared this before as well. Antioxidants are our protectors, it's what it protects our cells. So if we're looking at the cell wall, it makes sure that the cell wall is thick and it's deep. So if this we consider the cell as the carcel, we want to protect the carcel. So when our antioxidant levels are high, the cell is the cell wall is deep and it's thick. Antioxidants come from colourful foods in our diet. Uh, green tea is something that's really great as well. Uh, so and also really good quality supplements. What impacts the antioxidant levels is the free radical damage and oxidative stress. Now, oxidative stress comes from pollution, herbicides, pesticides, artificial light, blue screens that most of us in front of, you know, some think about the people that work corporate gigs, they're in artificial light and blue screens all day. Pilots, air flight attendants, their massive amount of radiation that they're being impacted with daily. It's really anecdotally, it's really interesting. The people that are driving electric vehicles and long hours in electric vehicles have lower antioxidant levels and higher levels of oxidative stress in their body. So oxidative stress is chronic. So the things we've just spoken about, the quality of our diet, the amount of uh herbicides and pesticides, glycophosphates that have been generated in our food, but also through acute. And acute is uh injury, uh, surgery, accident, and trauma. And trauma can be physical trauma, physical trauma, or also emotional trauma as well. All of these things impact the health of our cells. Our cellular health, of course, is essential so that we can make the decisions to go on adventures, uh, to be able to exercise early in the morning, to be able to get out of bed and how we feel. So, can I scan you, Jack? 100%.

Jack Graham 1:00:42

And I love this device because, like you said, you get a watch, it's just for you. And I'm I'm not I'm not a big fan of wearables. Like, yes, they have their purpose, and you can't improve what you don't track, but you're not wearing this, it's not sending you notifications all day. It's just one little thing. And it like I'm a big fan of just knowing where you're at each day and stress levels, understanding your stress levels. So when you when we first met and I had to go with this, I was just like, oh, this is this is good because I you want to understand where like everything you just spoke about, like what and we sort of touch on this throughout the podcast. Like, what are the simple things you can do to give yourself enough energy? And we're all different, each family member's gonna be different, so and that's also what we're exposed to.

Maz O'Connor 1:01:39

So what just go this way a bit? Yep, about there. Got it? Yep. Can you see that, Jack? Yep. Let me just have a quick look. All right, so can I have your right index finger? You can and can I get you to pop it so it fully so it fully covers there? Yeah. Let me just see. All right, so what we're doing, it's scanning majority of people sitting around about here, which is critical. So it I'll just get my mic. So this is critical. Oh no. Jack. Oh no. Oh no. So this this is this is interesting. So this was live as well. We just did Jack here. So Jack, at 210, what it's saying is that your body needs to just bring the mic back down. Is that your is that better?

Jack Graham 1:02:31

Yep.

Maz O'Connor 1:02:32

Is that your body needs a little bit of extra support? 210 is saying that probably you're not sleeping well at the moment. Would that be right? Yep. Yep. So sleep is probably a really big one. Um, also, you might actually be training a lot at the moment. Athletes have quite low oxidative, so quite high levels of oxidative stress in their body. It's a natural effect of exercise. So, would that be right?

Jack Graham 1:02:55

100%.

Maz O'Connor 1:02:56

Okay, so all it's indicating for you, and you'll be able to impact this pretty quickly, is you need some extra support. So I would love to support you with higher levels of antioxidants in your body as well. Recently, I found myself, my score was dropping. So I was over here uh in the 700s and my score was dropping. And what happened was I had appendicitis and ended up in hospital. So I had chronic inflammation in my body, but I didn't know what was happening. Something was happening, so I'm going, am I sleeping? I certainly wasn't exercising too much. Am I sleeping well? What's my diet like? Um am I, you know, just checking through all those things? And it was putting the dots together backwards that indicated that's why I'm like, Yeah.

Jack Graham 1:03:46

So for those listening and aren't watching, the there's a little device that's connected to Mazza's phone. Uh, you put your finger over the device, and I believe it's the same sort of sensor as what you would get when you're in hospital. Yeah, spectroscopy, yeah. Sensing your blood pressure. So it sensors that it gives you a score. Last time we did this, it was 380-ish. And now I've got two ten.

Maz O'Connor 1:04:13

And has things changed since then, Jack? Like have you been working harder, longer hours, exercising more? Are you in a cut or something like that at the moment? So a couple of things.

Jack Graham 1:04:25

Uh, I'd say I'm spending more time with my partner, so not to get too descriptive, but sleep isn't the priority at the moment, yeah. Um, and like I've had I knew I had a big day today with guests. So whenever you really want a good night's sleep, you never get that good night's sleep. So last night I didn't sleep the best. Uh, food hasn't been like I think I still eat quite well, but it hasn't been as good as it normally is. Um, and yeah, I'm pr I'm training not as much, but I'm training, I'd started a new program, so it's a little bit more stress on my body. So I know I've got a little bit more inflammation floating around because that muscle soreness, which isn't a good thing, but it comes with a new stimulus from training. Yeah. So, but that's why I love this. Like I it gives you a little check-in. Like, yeah, I know watches and the bands and rings give you the HRV score, but this HRV is a little bit different to this. This gives you the actual stress levels within your body. HRV is the combining both could be good, but this is just non-invasive, easy, and I can check where I'm at.

Maz O'Connor 1:05:34

And this is healthy households. So this is about everyone that you're coming in contact with. Jack, this this has come about, there is 28 million scans that have been done on this particular device over the last 22 years. So this is not just a little gimmick that would be great that works really well, and it's being attached to an app. So the idea is, and I'm just going back to Beth and the health detective, put the information in the user's hands. So, this is not about replacing doctors and nutritionists and naturopaths. This can work in conjunction with those as well. But this data is being attached to an app, and the app has your own scores from what we call the Prism IO, but also what's coming is DNA testing and microbiome testing as well. Along with this scan, it will also give for the women, the women of my age, it will give you the markers towards perimenopause and menopause as well. So we can start to look at those elements as well. It measures 700,000 data points each time we do a scan. So it's an incredible amount of data. But this is about how can you, what are the changes that you can make? And everything we just spoke about, Jack, let's get some good sleep to start with. Let's look at what our movement is like as well. Let's look at our nutrition and then look at our supplementation. And the reason that I say this, and as a nutritionist that was trained decades ago, I used to think that we could get everything that we needed from our diet. I definitively know that we cannot these days. If we were to eat everything that we needed and it was biodynamic or organic, it's going to be, it's, it's usually outpriced. Like we usually can't, it's it's just not in a price point that we can. So we need to prioritize what we do in the organic space. When we are using, and and I say this respectfully, there is so many supplementation options out there. For me, I wanted to be with an organization that has the research and development, that have blind um published studies and double-blind studies done on their supplements. And the other key thing is something that's guaranteed. So I know that there's nothing else in the marketplace that it's guaranteed that you're, you know, that you're currently taking, that I'm currently taking. There is over 74% of Australians that are taking some form of supplementation. I would say majority of us, not all of us, would go into a chemist or go in, yeah? Yep. Go into a chemist or go into the supermarket and go, oh, women's health 40 plus, yeah, that's me, and grab it and take it. What the DNA testing will do here is are you able to upload, is your body able to methylate that sort, uh, that type of vitamin B? Is it able to um absorb that sort of iron? So that's why the DNA testing is going to be so amazing as that comes out as well.

Jack Graham 1:08:34

I love that. Like I said, so simple. And you can I'm all and you listen to Beth, and every guess I get on doctor coach that is working with people on their health is always like you've got to be, don't outsource your health. And I'm not saying I'm not saying that you still need doctors, you still need medication, but knowing why, like you can't just go to the doctor and go, I'm sick. Like if you go to the doctor and say, Hey, this has been going on, I've noticed this, like, give them more information, they can help you rather than just his medication. Because I think like doctors get a bad rap because people just go, I'm sick, fix me. It's like, well, give me the information. Yeah, I've got nothing. Where this something like this, you can track, but also like if like you can see what's happening. So if you are lacking something, you can improve it, or if you want to try a new supplement that you're seeing on social media, everybody loves it, and it's this new fad, you can try it and see if it affects your body as well. Because I'm a big fan of knowing if you actually need that supplement. Yeah, and a lot of people just take, like you said, just go to the chemist, grab supplement. This is going to help me because it's got me on the label. It's probably not actually doing anything, it's just probably going straight through your system. So a good way to see if you're not wasting your money is something like this. Yeah, can anybody get this in their home?

Maz O'Connor 1:09:52

Absolutely. So, what what with this has just come to market. So, myself and my partner, one of the first to have this in Australia. So, we're very excited to bring this back. So, I'm happy to scan. I'm at many venues around Melbourne to do this, but we absolutely can purchase it. Um, what we do is currently it comes in a pack with solutions because we know I'm measuring so many people. I measured a guy recently at the Health and Wellness Expo uh here in Melbourne, and he owns a supplement company. I measured another guy in Sydney, owns a supplement company. Their score was your score, just around what your score was there. So, what it's saying is it's great that you're taking what you're taking, but it's not impacting your cells. So, as I said, there is the current pack is a guaranteed solution. So if you're wanting to improve your health, we know that high levels of free radical damage and oxidative stress leads to the major killers. So when we're looking at uh there's a huge movement, particularly in India, sadly, but also in Australia and the Western world, is glucose intolerance. So diabetes, but also dementia as well, like the glucose uh in the intolerance and what's happening in the brain as well. So they're linking that. Um polycystic ovarian disease, PCOD, PCOS, uh, inflammatory. The key thing is if we increase our antioxidant levels, reduce the levels of uh inflammation, a lot of these things that are taking us out and causing us trauma will drop down. And that's exactly what we're talking about. You mentioned earlier, Jack, about the health span and the lifespan. We want to have a longer health span. 100%.

Jack Graham 1:11:43

And yeah, I I forget where I was gonna go with that, but no, I've lost it.

Maz O'Connor 1:11:54

Hell talk about what you mean about health span, like explain that health span, lifespan.

Jack Graham 1:12:00

Yeah. I guess for me working with clients, when people think living longer, they don't realize that they still need to be able to walk. They need to be able to get off the ground. Like I see it scares me a lot when I get clients 70 plus? Not technically, I don't think that old. And if they fall down, they can't get back up. And if they're living alone, that's even more scary because what happens? Like you're down on the ground, broken bone, internal bleed, like just scary. So being able to get up off the ground, but also that seems simple, but it's just exercise. But like we said, you need to eat proper food so you can actually exercise, you need to sleep properly so you can actually exercise. So it's just I see something like this as a good tool to have people to have in their home so they can measure it, like because you can see the graph, you can see how you're improving, and yes, I s I know I said like all the wearables, you can do that as well. But this doesn't send you notifications all day, it's not a battery on you, which you'd sort of touched on, which is another whole issue that I think needs to stop. Um but you can see what's happening, right? You can see what you need to do, but the technology behind it as well. It's helping you, like it's not just here's a number, and a lot of the devices are like that. Yeah, yes, there's technology in some of the devices now. It's like, oh yeah, you got this score, go do this, but the technology behind this is sort of bringing it all together so you can like you get a score, okay. How do I improve it? This is how you improve it, you go do it, you can scan again and continue improving it.

Maz O'Connor 1:13:46

And it it's gamified as well. It's fun, it's fun for children to do this as well, see where their score is. Children will respond quicker to food than what we will, yeah, um, as we grow. The other thing I wanted to say, Jack, is that in terms of the technology in this, this is made in the same uh factories or places that our Apple Watches are made. So, in terms of um cutting-edge technology, um this is quite an incredible device. It is tiny, it is pocket-sized, um, naturopaths, uh, herbalists. I think Beth was a homeopath. Um, we've touched on doctors, nutritionists, like personal trainers. Yeah, because a lot of and also doctors aren't trained in nutrition. Personal trainers, depending on their qualifications, have done a little bit in nutrition, not a lot.

Jack Graham 1:14:38

Yeah.

Maz O'Connor 1:14:38

So yeah, this this is this is how we believe that we will reduce the bottleneck of people going into the in Australia we call it a healthcare system, but the illness care system. Um, and we will keep them out of that so that the health is in their own hands, they're measuring it, they're looking after themselves so that they can look after others.

Jack Graham 1:15:01

100%. And like I said, you can't outsource that. You need to take charge of your own health. No one cares as much as you, and you need to give yourself permission, as we're talking about, to take charge of it. And this just helps.

Maz O'Connor 1:15:14

Jack, thank you for allowing me to share this with you. And I loved our conversation about we haven't spoken enough about dogs, I appreciate that. Um, but also talking about um parenting and um looking after ourselves, and when we do that, how we can be so much more for other people. Um, how what you're doing is spreading so much wisdom, like don't never discount the impact one person can make when they're set on a mission. So the amount of lives that you've impacted by the people that you have interviewed and and the work that you've done is incredible. Yeah, I appreciate that.

Jack Graham 1:15:53

Maz, thanks for coming on the podcast. Thank you for having me, Jack. What is up? Thanks for being here at the end of the episode. Obviously, you've enjoyed it and it's helped you find your true form. And I'll bet you know somebody that's gonna help find their true form as well. So I'd appreciate it if you could copy this show link, send it to one friend or family member and say, hey, have a listen to this. It's gonna help you find your true form. They'll probably have no idea what you're talking about, but it will help them. And I'd appreciate if you could do that. Uh, also, all podcast platforms these days have some sort of algorithm. So the more you interact with this episode, the better it's gonna perform and help reach more people and help them find their true form as well. So, five star review, positive comment, like, share, comment, however, you can interact with the episode. I'd appreciate that. And everybody listening that hasn't heard of the True Form podcast is gonna appreciate it as well.