Episode 236: How Comedy Can Build Confidence, Crush Fear & Help You Find Your Voice with Jordana Borensztajn

In this uplifting and wildly entertaining episode of The True Form Podcast, I sit down with keynote speaker, comedian, magician, and all-round powerhouse Jordana Borensztajn for a conversation about confidence, creativity, and the power of play.

From overcoming self-doubt to embracing stage fright, Jordana shares how she uses humour—on stage and in life—to build resilience, connect with others, and find joy in the uncomfortable moments. If you’ve ever struggled with confidence, feared being seen, or felt stuck in your own head… this one’s for you.

🎯 We dive into:
✅ How comedy helps you get out of your own way
✅ Finding confidence by leaning into fear—not avoiding it
✅ The magic of “glitter chest energy” and playful presence
✅ Public speaking tools that work in everyday life
✅ Owning your story and your self-worth
✅ What magicians, comedians & TEDx speakers have in common

Whether you're chasing a career on stage or just trying to speak up at work, Jordana’s tools and stories will give you a boost—and probably a few laughs, too.

Connect with Jordana:
www.jordanab.com.au, 
www.instagram.com/jordanaborensztajn 
www.linkedin.com/in/jordanaborensztajn
https://podcasts.apple.com/rs/podcast/fuel-your-confidence/id1806959475

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Transcript

Jonah, thanks for coming on. I already asked for coffee. That's a good start. I'm excited for this one because I feel like this is going to help me out a lot. Confidence is a big thing. It's something I struggle with a lot. So I'm excited to have you here. Amazing. You don't look like you struggle with confidence just because you're popping out of your shirt there, Jack.

00:00:26:19 - 00:00:48:00
Unknown
Well, that's a good place to start. What is confidence? It depends. Are we talking about personal confidence or professional confidence? Both. I would say let's go personal first. Personal. I would say it is doing what you want and being who you are and being unafraid and unapologetic about it. And how do you do that. I know what you're talking about.

00:00:48:02 - 00:01:13:03
Unknown
So how do you figure out who you are and what you want to do? It sounds cliche, but whatever lights your heart on fire, whatever lights your spirit on fire, whatever truly brings you joy and is a passion. Point is, in my opinion, where confidence begins because if we're not doing what we truly love and we're doing what we think other people think we should do, then we're never going to be truly aligned.

00:01:13:05 - 00:01:43:05
Unknown
So it's going to be outward facing fuel and motivation, which ultimately is never going to make us happy. Inside. Which is why I say personal or professional, because it's like, am I confident with who I am, or am I confident in the job that I do the different skills? Like I would say, in what way? Because if you, you were a form of trade trader, you can be confident in your skills, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you love who you are.

00:01:43:07 - 00:02:02:22
Unknown
So there's skill element and then there's internal element. Okay. I mean there's many that I could say and there's this element. There's that element. It's like how long is a piece of string. Yeah. That's a good example because yeah, at one point I was quite good at being a tradie like I was carpenter, I love carpentry.

00:02:03:00 - 00:02:19:12
Unknown
I feel like I was very good at it and I could produce a good job at no matter what I was doing. But I always felt like it wasn't me. So when I started being me and doing what I wanted to, I feel like I got a lot more confident. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So how does somebody go through that journey.

00:02:19:12 - 00:02:38:19
Unknown
Because it's very hard to tell. Like when you're good at something and whether you actually love doing it or not. So is there some sort of way to figure that out. Like what? What would you say to somebody in that position? I would start with, what do you love? What could you do for hours and hours and hours and never get bored.

00:02:38:21 - 00:03:01:06
Unknown
Because it's when, when we lose track of time and we, when we immerse ourselves in something and the rest of the world around us just like disappears. That, that is love. That is a source of confidence. Or at least one of us. So what other sources are they. Good question.

00:03:01:08 - 00:03:22:12
Unknown
I think bring whatever brings you joy as well. But now we're moving to the joy territory. Not confident. So you could love having spa and ice baths. Yeah. It doesn't necessarily make you confident. Okay. So where does confidence come from. Like I know you said happiness and all that and finding what you love doing. But you could love what you're doing.

00:03:22:13 - 00:03:47:05
Unknown
And I know a few people love what they're doing, but definitely not confident to say go public speaking or okay, sit in front of the camera, for example, like I've got it. I have had a few, opportunities, get some guests on that have very good things to say, but as soon as I sit them down in front of the camera and put a microphone in front of their face, yeah, all that good information, what they have to say just isn't there anymore.

00:03:47:05 - 00:04:09:14
Unknown
Yeah. Now coming back to is a personal or is a business. Okay. Yeah. Because I would say now anything that involves us expressing, let's say your example of you know, always a good knowledge in a more professional context. That is how confident are we in actually how much do we believe in what we're saying. And how much do we believe our voice is important.

00:04:09:14 - 00:04:30:01
Unknown
And how much do we believe that we're the right person to say it. So a lot of that piece comes down to self-worth. Which is why I say there's a million different ways that we can go around actually finding the confidence. Let's dive into the self-worth thing because like I just said at the start, like sometimes I struggle with confidence.

00:04:30:01 - 00:04:51:07
Unknown
And when I'm doing this podcast, like I've been doing personal training, I first got my qualification back in 2008, and I've had thousands of clients since then. So I know what to do to help people get results. But even sometimes I have self-doubt. But and I guess that would come down to self-worth. Like, yeah, how do you overcome that?

00:04:51:07 - 00:05:15:12
Unknown
Because a lot of people will have that knowledge and almost that evidence to back up what they can actually do, but then that self-worth creeps in. Yeah. I think it's always going to be there to a degree. It's more about how much fear am I willing to face and still move forward with what I believe is the right step versus allow this scary new thing to stop me?

00:05:15:14 - 00:05:32:11
Unknown
Because it's a myth to think that if we're doing something that frightens us, we're never going to feel fear. But it's how much can you actually do when you're faced with that fear? Like I used to be a stand up comedian, I felt scared every single time I was on stage, and every single time the MC would call my name, I'd be like, they'd be like, now I'd like to welcome Georgina Brunson.

00:05:32:11 - 00:05:44:22
Unknown
I'd be like, please let me please tell me, why do I do this? I hate this, and then I, I get up there, I say my first joke, everyone starts laughing and I'm like, I love this. I don't want to be anywhere else. So like, I always feel fear. Like I've done a thousand things in my career that make me terrified.

00:05:44:22 - 00:06:06:09
Unknown
But it's am I willing to actually push through that? What feels like an impenetrable wall of fear? Because I know that what is on the other side is so much more growth and so much more expansion, and so much more joy, and so many more opportunities that I can experience while I'm staying on this side. So I think, you know, I train a lot of people in public speaking.

00:06:06:09 - 00:06:27:18
Unknown
I don't think you ever get rid of the fear. It's it's how do you manage it and how much can you manage and still move through. Okay. So in those workshops what what would you be telling people to. How would you manage that fear? Oh, breathing. Breathing. Movement. Music. So I did not know how to breathe for the first five years of my comedy career.

00:06:27:18 - 00:06:43:00
Unknown
And I thought, oh, you breathe in, you breathe out. But when you actually just take a deep breath in and deep breath out, you just get, like, exhausted. So I tried everything to try to manage my physical body because my energy was super high and then super low. And I do like a comedy festival season. And then I would crash.

00:06:43:00 - 00:07:02:12
Unknown
So I had I tried so many different ways to learn how to, take better care of my physicality. And then I found Feldenkrais, Alexander Technique, Body movement. And then through that I found biofeedback. And through that I found a breathing technique which is four breaths in hold for two and then four breaths out. And so you're counting.

00:07:02:17 - 00:07:25:19
Unknown
One, two, three, four. Hold two out. 234. So I'm literally going, that's the fitness version. You can just go subtle and just, just like you're adding the wind path. You don't need the wave off. This is supposed to calm you down. Not not. And for you okay. So we're just we I'm actually I'll take you through. Okay. So think of something that makes you scared.

00:07:25:20 - 00:07:57:22
Unknown
Think about, like, you know, some I don't know if. Imagine someone's going to walk in here and it's going to frighten you or any moment now you have to go out there and give a presentation. Okay. So and you can close your eyes. So breathe in 234 hold two out 234. Breathe in 234. Hold two out 234.

00:07:58:00 - 00:08:27:02
Unknown
Breathe in 234. Hold two out two three for one word. How do you feel? Calm. Nice. It's an instant reset that allows us to get out of the noise in our head and come back to here. And the other reason why it's so important is because when we do get especially fear around public speaking, our brain and our body can disconnect and our physiology can take over.

00:08:27:04 - 00:08:42:02
Unknown
And when we resist the fear that we feel if our palms are sweaty or our heart's racing, or we get butterflies and we think, oh my gosh, I don't want to be nervous, that actually adds to the cycle. And so our brain and our body actually feed each other. So if we're thinking, I'm not ready, my content's going to suck.

00:08:42:02 - 00:09:06:01
Unknown
They're not going to like me. That's sending a signal to our body going, I'm nervous if we're feeling butterflies that sending a signal back to our brain going, oh, we're not ready. Oh, I don't want to be nervous. So these 44 breaks and interrupts that self-sabotaging cycle that we easily get into before something super nervous. So the breathing is amazing and it's the best tool, I think, because no one can actually say how your breathing, you know, no one's going to go.

00:09:06:03 - 00:09:25:21
Unknown
I'm like, Jack, are you doing the 44? Can't believe it. Although with your body type you'd probably be like of more of a five to 5 or 4 bringing the Wim Hof. Yeah, exactly. No one's ever done that before. I now have a fitness version. Fantastic. Yeah, it's a really. I've never really seen it like, put like that before.

00:09:25:21 - 00:09:44:01
Unknown
Like breaking that cycle of fear. Yeah. Any other techniques? Yes. Movement and music. So when we get nervous, you know, you see people pacing. We got extra adrenaline, extra cortisol, extra hormones sloshing through our system, all to gear us up for the situation that we're not normally ready for, but we don't know how to manage it.

00:09:44:01 - 00:10:02:04
Unknown
So it's got to be exercise. It's got to come out. So if someone's pacing, they're not intentionally pacing their pacing because they're like freaking out with all of these extra energy. And it's unfortunately coming out in an unintentional way. That's also why we sweat got to come out. So either we manage it or it comes out through shaking.

00:10:02:06 - 00:10:27:10
Unknown
So movement and music are brilliant because if we're moving beforehand, we are exercising the energy as much as we can so that it doesn't overtake us in the moment. Music is the best because we're using our throat chakra. We're singing. If it's a song that you love, you're dancing. So we're it's all about how do I actually manage this extra flush that's moving through me so it doesn't catapult me into woe?

00:10:27:11 - 00:10:45:14
Unknown
Because once our brain, our body is disconnected, really hard to come back. And I've been there a thousand times. Sorry. So singing and dancing. Yeah. What's your song? What's your what's. That's two things I need to stuff. You don't sing or dance. Oh, well, you know what got you doing? Single dance. What if I put on Tina Turner's Simply the Best.

00:10:45:15 - 00:11:06:05
Unknown
As if you want to sing along to that look. There's singing and there's what I do. And I wouldn't go singing. You can put your song. Yeah, I only judge you if you butcher a song. As long as you think you're singing. So in your experience, does breaking that cycle get easier? Yeah, a lot is the confidence that comes in public.

00:11:06:05 - 00:11:29:08
Unknown
Speaking is showing yourself that you can do it. Because when we're, we get swallowed up by our own fear and we believe our own fear because our fear feels so overwhelming, we don't question it. It's such a heavy emotion and it's so paralyzing that way. Just like I can't do that. And then we've had like one little breakthrough or one experience we've never had and we're like, oh my gosh, I survived.

00:11:29:10 - 00:11:53:12
Unknown
I can do that. I've had a little bit of evidence and it does get easier and easier, 1,000%. But it's just it takes practice. What about body language? Can we talk about that? Yeah, because that's something I've delved into before. As in trying to improve my body language, to make people more comfortable in a conversation like this.

00:11:53:12 - 00:12:16:22
Unknown
Also trying to prove to myself or him more confident. Yeah, well, that sort of stuff. So body language talking about where do we start? Okay. So we want to always start. It depends. What's the setting what's out. What what setting are we talking about. Are you up on stage. Are you you know, pretty casual. Let's just say most people here listening to the podcast, getting into a health and fitness journey, the gym can be quite intimidating.

00:12:17:03 - 00:12:39:16
Unknown
So let's just say they're walking into a room that makes them feel intimidated, and they just want to be more confident in doing their own thing. Yeah. Awesome. Okay, so I like to say imagine there is glitter coming out of your chest. So what happens is the moment we feel a lack of confidence in any way, we shut down, whether that is arms, clothes, arms, arms locked, right?

00:12:39:16 - 00:12:59:15
Unknown
Or it's our heads down or we're hunching on. You know, one leg's higher than the other, or we've got a hand twisting around. Anything that closes our body off makes us feel like our body and our and our emotional state are directly connected. So if I say to you now, for example, you're an actor. Okay, imagine you're an actor for a hot minute.

00:12:59:17 - 00:13:16:03
Unknown
Give me your best said go say show me. What does that look like? Okay. What's happened? You drop your body. Yeah, yeah. That's a pretty low key sad Jack. So you. Can you go again? Like really sad. Go. Really sad. I can't.

00:13:16:05 - 00:13:34:01
Unknown
Okay. No to happy. Go. Go show me what a superhero looks like. Yes. Okay. Start. What did you do? You're opening your chest, right? Ryan, for those that are listening, he's basically double bicep flex. Open up my chest. Yeah, that's the fitness version. So all those listening. And when he was sad, what did you do.

00:13:34:02 - 00:13:54:01
Unknown
You hunched over. Right. So even when we're hypothetically trying to come up with what these states look like, we have to use our physiology so we can use our physiology to change our emotional state in a second. So I would say the first thing to do is imagine that you've just opening your chest, because when we open our chest, we hold our head higher.

00:13:54:05 - 00:14:09:06
Unknown
When we hold our head higher, our eyeline is higher. We now eyeline is higher. It's a confident pose. So we can take half a second to actually feel more confident. And part of the reason we cross our arms. So part of the reason we don't know what to do with our hands is because we have some part of us that is closed off.

00:14:09:08 - 00:14:28:01
Unknown
And I could imagine if I did the whole podcast like this and I'm talking about confidence. And for those of you that are listening, I'm like, cross, hunching over, almost eating the microphone. Does this look confident to you? Okay. And I've not changed anything except for now I've opened. How different is it? Yeah. So immediate physiology is an amazing tool to change our state.

00:14:28:01 - 00:14:52:04
Unknown
So I would say walking to that gym, imagine glitter pouring out of your chest, spraying people with your beautiful glitter. And that alone is enough to make you feel confident. I find when I feel like can I just stop you there. Yeah. And caveat I don't lift any heavy. I don't lift anything heavy in gym. So just be careful with that glitter chest when you walk into the gym.

00:14:52:06 - 00:15:19:22
Unknown
Yeah. You don't lift heavy yet. Yeah. Yeah that's right. So what about communicating? Because sometimes when I walk into the gym again, I might feel not very confident. I'll do feel like I know myself. I I've worked on this. I'll stand up tall and that sort of stuff. And when I talk to people, like, just say hello, good morning or good afternoon, whatever, that sort of breaks the barrier as well.

00:15:19:22 - 00:15:41:05
Unknown
Yeah, there's something in that. Just like opening yourself up and communicating to somebody. Yeah. First thing I would say is smile when we get in our head and we get insecure and we think, oh my gosh, I don't belong here, or I don't know anyone here or all of those thoughts. First thing that goes is our smile. So we've got more than 44 muscles in the face, right?

00:15:41:10 - 00:16:04:13
Unknown
So again, we can use the process of using our physiology to change our emotional state by just we can do a little exercise here. Just say to me, it's great to have you on the podcast today. No smile, nothing. Straight face. You challenged me. I know, I know, it's great to have you on the podcast. Okay. All right, a little bit monotone and, you know, that's okay.

00:16:04:18 - 00:16:20:20
Unknown
Now, all I want you to do is just smile before you start and give me the same sentence. It's great to have you on the podcast. Okay, so you're for those who are listening. His hands moved. He's smiling. He's he's here to move forwards and backwards. And his whole body wanted to come in because we're naturally expressing with our whole body.

00:16:20:22 - 00:16:47:01
Unknown
It's just in any moment where we feel uncomfortable. All eyes are on us. Unfamiliar setting. It's like we forget everything we ever learned and we don't use any of our physicality. So how can we possibly feel confident or authentic or in our natural expression if we're not using our body? So a lot of these tools are what do you need in an in a circumstance that makes you feel uncomfortable, to be the trigger that unlocks everything, and sometimes it is enough of just smiling.

00:16:47:03 - 00:17:06:15
Unknown
Because when you're smiling, it's sending beautiful chemicals through your system going, hang on a second, I'm feeling happy, but I think I'm nervous. What's going on here? And it malfunctions. Is that that fear drive? That would be a way to then stop breathing and break that cycle even more. Yeah, you can breathe. Four, two, four smile. Before you start, imagine glitter coming out of your chest.

00:17:06:19 - 00:17:20:11
Unknown
If you see someone that you've never seen walking into a gym and they've got a chest open, they're smiling. You're like, I don't know who that is, but I like him already because we can pick up someone's energy the moment we see them. We can tell if someone's, you know, closed off or afraid and don't want to talk to anyone.

00:17:20:11 - 00:17:44:04
Unknown
And we can see if someone just looks like an amazing, happy, high vibe person. Wearing challenge is much more than we think. And again, it comes back to our voice of fear is so loud it is. And we rarely challenge it. And when we don't challenge it, it feels just scary and scary and scary and scarier. Why do you think people don't challenge that scary?

00:17:44:06 - 00:18:01:22
Unknown
Yeah, and a lot of us don't like to change, you know, and it's easier to just do what you doing and maneuver around the fear than having to try to tackle it. Because we go into worst case scenario, you know what if what's going to happen? Our brain loves to take us to also what if places we imagine the worst case scenario.

00:18:01:23 - 00:18:29:23
Unknown
What do you do in that circumstance? Like when you're imagining the worst case scenario, what you'll go to a mature thought thought process? I use humor, so I will use the humor strategy of exaggeration and go, okay, what is the worst thing that could possibly happen? No no no no. Worse worse worse worse worse worse worse. And then it gets so ridiculous and so outrageous and so stupid that it's like, okay, that's never going to happen in a million years.

00:18:30:01 - 00:18:53:02
Unknown
Humor is actually, yeah, an incredible therapeutic tool and also a very good healing tool. And particularly good at challenging fears because it's like, let's say, what what's something that you'd be afraid of. Okay, let's say this person's walking to the gym, right? Okay. What's the worst thing that happens if they don't talk to anyone? That's realistically what could be a perceived worst thing.

00:18:53:04 - 00:18:59:22
Unknown
They walk back out. Okay. What's even worse than that is I don't talk to anyone worse.

00:19:00:00 - 00:19:22:20
Unknown
It's. No, they'll never be allowed back in the gym again. Yeah, yeah. Worse, worse. They're never be allowed into any gym ever again in their entire life. Worse worse worse worse worse. They fall and break your leg on the way outside of the gym. Yeah. And then worse, worse worse worse worse. Everybody sees. Okay, I going on. And then worse.

00:19:22:20 - 00:19:43:07
Unknown
Worse was worse was worse was they'll never get a membership anyway ever again. Like can you see how it's like what we think is so insane? The further we go, the further we go, the more outrageous. It's like you're not going to break your leg because you don't say hi to someone. You're not going to what's like we stop at that first step, but it's like what's actually past that?

00:19:43:09 - 00:20:00:12
Unknown
And if we do it in a playful way, humor is the fastest way to break through fear. Have you always used humor or is that something that you want to do or use? No, I learned it. I went out on a bad day, which pushed me into a career in comedy. So every cloud has a silver lining.

00:20:00:14 - 00:20:19:04
Unknown
And then once I once I learned the the strategies and the techniques, it became a big therapeutic tool. Without diving too much into the date. But how did it go? You can tell it was a terrible date. How did it go from a bad date to jumping into comedy? So it was like one of those dates that you always hear about.

00:20:19:04 - 00:20:38:11
Unknown
Like, you know, when he was like ten years older than his photo, we had this amazing banter back and forth and I was like, oh, he's witty, smart, he's, you know, and I think he ended up writing all of the messages for him. And then after this really good banter, we finally go out to a cafe and I'm like, I'm looking around, I'm looking around, can't see him.

00:20:38:13 - 00:20:52:16
Unknown
And there's this person waving at me. Looks as I say, ten years older. We sit down. He was like hung over, slurring his words. We didn't end up just not having a good time, but we ended up like arguing and I was like, oh my gosh. I left like shellshocked going, I'm going to be a lonely cat lady for the rest of my life.

00:20:52:16 - 00:21:16:00
Unknown
What on earth am I going to do? And then I got home. I called one of my friends and I couldn't talk because I was like, quite traumatized and all I could do is like, imitate the way he spoke. And he's hung over slurs and then by the end of that conversation, she was laughing and I was like, so I called, another friend, added in extra exaggeration and enthusiasm, and by the end we were both like, laughing so hard.

00:21:16:00 - 00:21:35:10
Unknown
We were crying and I was like, I've got to learn comedy because this is actually really therapeutic. And then I learned comedy theory, comedy lessons. And there's a lot of methods and formulas in theory, and it's, sorry, in comedy and, yes, that is right. Stand up and very quickly became a stand up comedian. And then everything that annoyed me, everything that frustrated me, became joke material.

00:21:35:10 - 00:22:00:00
Unknown
So that was a really. Yeah, really cool healing process and way cheaper than therapy. Is that the theory that comedy theory or the method. Yeah. Fine. Things that frustrate you 100% out of it. Yeah. Okay. Some of the best comedians and comedy teachers of all time always say comedy comes down to truth and pain. And so we use a lot of our emotions, emotional drive as our big source of comedy.

00:22:00:00 - 00:22:20:17
Unknown
So what irritates you? What frustrates you? What annoys you? Like if you look at some of the best comedians, is that driver, which is part of their attitude at issue is also really important. So yeah, when attitude and emotion come together, beautiful for comedy material I love that. Yeah love that. So how would somebody go about doing that.

00:22:20:17 - 00:22:38:02
Unknown
So somebody else just been on a bad day. How do you and obviously they're going to be feeling sad and feel like they're going to be alone forever. Then they're going to find anybody. How do you turn that into. So you start by just writing, at least what annoys me. I'm annoyed by doom doom doom doom doom doom doom I wrote frustrates me.

00:22:38:02 - 00:22:56:13
Unknown
This this this this is what makes me angry. This this this. And in that process alone, you're actually getting it out of your body onto a piece of paper, and it's turning it from a lived experience into a, oh, this is actually material that I could use. So it actually gives you a little bit of distance and you've kind of already gone through that.

00:22:56:15 - 00:23:16:23
Unknown
I hated that because it's like on a piece of paper and it's away from you. But there's also I mean there's a million different ways to write a joke. There's set up premise punch. So if someone wanted to dive into comedy theory it's really easy to go, oh I might choose this particular theory and try to, you know, make it, make a joke out of this.

00:23:17:00 - 00:23:39:13
Unknown
Can we do that? Yeah, yeah, we can use a rule of three joke. Yeah, yeah. What do you even do? Like something that frustrates me. Yeah. People in the gym, on their phone, sitting on a machine and taking forever because they're not actually exercising. They're sitting on their phone.

00:23:39:15 - 00:23:47:20
Unknown
Okay, so what frustrates you the most? The fact that I can't use the machine.

00:23:47:22 - 00:23:51:19
Unknown
What about them?

00:23:51:21 - 00:24:18:20
Unknown
What about them? Yeah. What else is frustrating? Just there being inconsiderate. Okay. Inconsiderate. What else is frustrating? Usually their posture annoys me. That's just not pleasant to trying because they're usually hunched over. I'm like, I just want to walk. I just pull the shoulders back. But also noisy. Can you see how you're getting less annoyed purely by getting these out of your system?

00:24:18:20 - 00:24:37:10
Unknown
Yeah, because it's like, well, what else? What else is in this tank of aggravation? It's like once you even empty it a little bit, it just gets lighter alone. What else is annoying? And you're going to have to go harder and on more curves and bends to try to answer these questions. I can't finish my work yet, so it's wasting my time.

00:24:37:10 - 00:24:44:15
Unknown
Wasting time? Yeah. What else?

00:24:44:17 - 00:25:05:09
Unknown
They're on social media, and that annoys me because you shouldn't be on social media in the gym. Oh, now we're getting into Jack's gym etiquette. I'm not saying I don't do anything. You're like, you need to, like, write down Jack's gym etiquette and, like, take this laminated sign with you anytime. Yeah, anytime. You near a piece of equipment.

00:25:05:11 - 00:25:23:05
Unknown
So that says they know the rules. If they get within, like a five minute radius of you, they're not working out properly. Why does that annoy you? Because you're in the gym. You. They're. Most people don't have time to work out. And if you've got time to sit and scroll, it's not fair on everybody else. And it's just annoying.

00:25:23:07 - 00:25:54:06
Unknown
Like if you're at the gym, putting the time and effort. That's interesting because it's that you're annoyed that they're wasting their time. Yes. So they're wasting my time and their time. Okay. So we've got wasting time times four. Yeah. Multiple layers on that one. Yeah okay. Can't use a machine. Inconsiderate. Posture wasting time. So using social media what else is what else aggravates you?

00:25:54:08 - 00:26:16:18
Unknown
I feel like that's sort of wrapped it up into. Yeah. And. Yeah. And I guess because they closed off in that position, I can't talk to them. Like, I feel like I can't approach them and can't connect. Okay. So there's multiple ways we can go around this. It's my brain considers this. So one technique is called the rule of three.

00:26:16:20 - 00:26:36:15
Unknown
So in literature in history a rule of three has a charm. So three little pigs ready set go. Lights camera. Action. So if we are about to share a list with someone, if we take items one and two and then we flip the third, that surprise makes us laugh. Because the reason we laugh in comedy is because a comedian is taking us down a certain direction.

00:26:36:17 - 00:26:51:18
Unknown
And then there's a gap between where we think we're going and where we end. A lot of comedy coaches call this shattering the assumption, because we think we're being taken in one direction. And then, you know, your Seinfeld's will go. He is a really smart observational twist. We end up here and we're like, oh, I didn't see that coming.

00:26:51:20 - 00:27:15:23
Unknown
The other reason that we laugh, and now that sorry, the complaint almost opposite to this is sex nudity, swearwords also get that same gap of laughter, but it's like cheap laughter because it's the same. We're going in a certain direction, and then the audience goes, oh, I can't believe I said that. Which is the difference between like, you know, high level laughter and like cheap laughs.

00:27:16:01 - 00:27:35:23
Unknown
Okay, so with a rule of three, what we want to do is we want to have some sort of premise that makes us think we're going in a certain direction. And then one thing to thing and then a third twist. Okay, I got nothing. Okay. All right. As I workshop this. Okay. So can't use machine. Inconsiderate posture, wasting time.

00:27:36:00 - 00:27:49:06
Unknown
What we could do is either use one of these as the twist. So you could say the best thing about going to gym? I love going to gym so much. You know, it's it just, you know, to spend an hour at gym is the most amazing thing in the world. I love. What do you actually love? What do you love about gym?

00:27:49:08 - 00:27:58:14
Unknown
Move my body. Yeah, I love moving my body. Weight lifting heavy things, feeling strong.

00:27:58:16 - 00:28:21:02
Unknown
What do you love about seeing other people at gym? It motivates me that they're motivated to workout as well. Yeah, everybody's working towards the same goal. If one is working towards.

00:28:21:04 - 00:28:42:21
Unknown
So we could go a positive and then use one of these annoyances as a negative. So I just love going to gym. I'm so motivated by seeing other people being so motivated. I love that everyone's working towards, you know, the same goals. And I love how so many people take the best equipment and waste every single moment on their by scrolling their phone.

00:28:42:23 - 00:28:58:22
Unknown
So can you see how it's like real? Real not yes. Yes. No. True true. False. Yeah. So that's a positive twist. The other way that we could do it is say, oh my God, the most annoying thing about gym is that you can't use them. You know, the most annoying thing about other people who are on their phones is that they're inconsiderate.

00:28:59:04 - 00:29:19:04
Unknown
They've got a bad posture. And then we would twist it to have a third, this could be I mean, you could write a lot. Yes. And just at from that one little thing. Yeah. It's very therapeutic 100% because now you're smiling and nothing's annoying, you know? And in fact, the best part is when you learn to look at life through comedy, lens changes everything.

00:29:19:06 - 00:29:31:10
Unknown
And I'll probably walk into the gym, see that guy doing that again and laugh at him? Yeah. Because you're going to be like, oh, what else is annoying? That's funny, that's funny, that's funny, that's funny. Like, if I go out on a bad date now, I'm like, there's a part of me that's like, please let this be good.

00:29:31:10 - 00:29:47:15
Unknown
But there's another part of me. It's like this is bad. This is amazing content. So once you learn to look at life through a comedic lens, it's actually really empowering because it means that there's nothing that's going to annoy you or upset you, because the moment it does, it just turns into golden material. So it's very it's really cool.

00:29:47:17 - 00:30:07:11
Unknown
I think that's very useful at the moment, but especially now, you know, the economy's bad or whatever. I don't really watch the news, but there's a lot of bad. There's a lot of people in gym on their phones watching the news. You should always be the ones with bad posture wasting their time. Hey, as you're on the road just checking the stock market, can you give me a heads up as to what's happening?

00:30:07:13 - 00:30:28:21
Unknown
So for all those people stuck on their phone on the machines, but how would you suggest they start looking at the world through a lens of like funniness, like comedian, like as a comedian? Good one. I think the first step would be to if you have an interest in comedy, it's easier because you're going to want to see the world differently.

00:30:28:23 - 00:30:50:00
Unknown
Because one of the one of the mindset shifts that I made is what what can I see that other people don't see? How can I how can I inverse this situation like Seinfeld, he'll talk about content. That's right. Stuff that we use every single day. Like one of his G. He's his genius, not one of his. His genius is that he was able to write the best jokes with the stuff that we use.

00:30:50:00 - 00:31:10:19
Unknown
Do live, breathe every day. But he found these tiny little nuances to flip it around. So I think the first place is, what can I say that how do I flip this situation around? What's here that I wouldn't normally observe? How do I how do I see something that's hidden. Is a good place to start and then write down all the things that annoy you.

00:31:10:19 - 00:31:46:20
Unknown
And then that's. Yes. Write down all the things that annoy you. Yes. Any kind of frustration, anger, annoyance, irritation. That's a very good place to start to channel. So we've found things that annoys. Yeah. We've written a joke. Now what do we do with that joke? Go to a comedy club. So there's actually a lot of workshops that I would say is the best step for someone, which alone is an amazing tool for confidence, because just to go through that, you know, you feel like I felt you when you do your first ever comedy set, five minutes.

00:31:46:22 - 00:32:05:12
Unknown
It's like, why did I sign up for it's the most. It is one of the scariest things in the entire world to get through it and to go on the other side of that, the character building, like the amount of strength it gives you. And to know that you've gone through one of the most difficult things ever is just amazing.

00:32:05:12 - 00:32:26:00
Unknown
Because comedies, comedies had highs, highs, lows, lows. In my experience. So I would say, yeah, next step would be fun to workshop. You know, there's a lot of online workshops, but there are a lot of like in-person workshops that do culminate with your first five minutes on stage, surrounded by supportive friends and family, which is the perfect way to start to do your five minutes.

00:32:26:02 - 00:32:54:05
Unknown
But just the process of, you know, writing comedy, having to, you know, learn it and remember it and then perform it, that is that's a it's a game changer. It doesn't matter who you are, a game changer, whether you do anything beyond that. That alone is massive accomplishment. Yeah. And I feel like even if somebody was going through some issues and they wrote a joke about it, did went through everything we just went through and just set it in that light with their friends and family without jumping on stage.

00:32:54:05 - 00:33:16:23
Unknown
Yeah, it could be quite powerful as well. 100%. Yeah, 100%. It just the process alone is super therapeutic. Even this a mindset shift of how can I turn this into a joke is enough to give you what we want is we want a gap between our connection to an experience and the observation that we can make around it, because that that alone is enough distance.

00:33:17:00 - 00:33:31:07
Unknown
Like if there's let's say someone cuts you off in traffic and you get angry, right? You're pretty angry. You're hated in the moment if you are the type to get angry if you suffer a second ago. What annoys me about this? What's annoying about what is the worst thing that Melbourne drivers do? They do this, they do that, they do this, they do that already.

00:33:31:07 - 00:33:55:18
Unknown
You're looking at the situation differently and that objectivity gives you space and that space allows you to be more regulated in your emotional response and also come up with good content. Very good comedy. Mean any highlights from your career as a comedian? Oh so many. What's that. So highlights. Well let's go to the highlight that stands out the most.

00:33:55:18 - 00:34:16:18
Unknown
And then the low light as well highlight that stands out the most I think was moving from a seven minute spot to a 55 minute show in the comedy festival. Well, against advice around me, that was like, you can't do that. It's like it was. I moved, I wrote really fast, and so I had way more content than I had stage time.

00:34:16:20 - 00:34:33:08
Unknown
And so I was just like, I just keep writing jokes. I'm just going to go and do a show. Whereas it's kind of like at that time anyway, it's sort of that you do like a gradual, you know, five minutes here. If I been see seven minutes and then but I was just like, stuff this, I'm ready. So all of a sudden I was doing a 55 minute show in the Melbourne National Comedy Festival.

00:34:33:08 - 00:34:49:15
Unknown
And what do you think you already just goes writing so much. And I just had so much content. You felt like you could talk for 50 years. Yeah, and I do love the challenge of a show and the creativity of putting it together and trying to come up with a theme. How far into the career were you not?

00:34:49:16 - 00:35:13:05
Unknown
I started in 2000 and I can't remember. It was either 10 or 11. I think. So, yeah. Not not for like not viral. And here it go was amazing. Yeah, yeah. Where was it? It was at a place in the city that I can't remember. Oh, little bar in the city, that they had, like this area with a stage.

00:35:13:07 - 00:35:40:15
Unknown
It was really. Yeah. It was fun. It was fun. But I would say high. As high as low as lows in comedy. Just because there's so much stuff that can happen in one show that changes it because it's so audience. My shows anyway though, very like interactive. And so the energy is highly dependent on the banter, which is highly dependent on the interactions, which is highly dependent on often who's sitting in the front two rows.

00:35:40:17 - 00:36:02:18
Unknown
So like if one mobile phone goes off or you've got someone that doesn't want to play along, whereas like, you know, you might have the most amazing banter and, you know, an audience member comes in late and that turns into an incredible moment. So it's really like it's all very spontaneous. The plan stuff is planned, but for all of the crowd works very spontaneous.

00:36:02:19 - 00:36:22:14
Unknown
I was going to say. So I just played footsies with you under the table, giving you a little, that's quite hard to do, like 55 minutes of holding and of the attention of a whole room, like I do one on one pets and sometimes 60 minutes, like, I've got to, you know, bring that energy, you know, and get it in 55 minutes.

00:36:22:16 - 00:36:40:20
Unknown
Because when I had to apply for the comedy festival, you fill out the brochure details long before I'd written the show. So you, you apply in like November, the comedy festival. My when I did it was November comedy festival isn't until March April. So you have to like do these drop down boxes. How long is your show? And I was like under 50.

00:36:40:20 - 00:37:02:09
Unknown
Nah, that's too short. 60. That's too long 55. So then I had to make sure that my show was 55 minutes. So that's a pretty weird number. And but holding the attention of the room for that long, how do you go about that? Is that just practice, practice, practice? Or is there techniques in that? Oh, we talking comedy or speaking?

00:37:02:11 - 00:37:27:07
Unknown
Is there a difference? Yeah. Difference in the expectations of the audience. When we go to see comedy show, we are harsh, harsh with very little tolerance. We as in the spectators. Yeah. We're like, we don't know what we're expecting to be entertained. Yeah, we don't say it, but it's like, make me laugh or you suck like that. That's what we're are like, this show is awesome, this comedian is awesome.

00:37:27:07 - 00:37:54:23
Unknown
Or they're terrible. There's no or they were okay, there are a few jokes. We're not we're not lenient like that. We're like, you're awesome or I'm never coming to see you again. It's a very like very extreme in terms of I like you and this is great. Or, I'm going to tell everyone you're horrible. You're not. And then public speaking very different because, well, with the public speaking that I do is focused on education very much and I bring comedy in.

00:37:54:23 - 00:38:12:05
Unknown
So when you're educating someone and then you bring in laughter, there's a different number one, it's not really expected. So it's like, oh my God, they're making me laugh. Yes, I can relax or yes, I'm going to enjoy this more. I bring laughter in because laughter helps us learn, when we're learning and we're laughing, we're more engaged.

00:38:12:05 - 00:38:31:13
Unknown
So it's a really powerful and strategic tool to help everyone stay engaged. And just to make it a more interactive and dynamic experience. But the expectation in comedies make me laugh. Oh, I'm out of here. We'll leave a show if we if we're not laughing ten minutes in, it's terrible. We're out of there. You don't do that in any other setting, ever.

00:38:31:15 - 00:38:45:06
Unknown
But we also don't really consciously think about it. It's just sort of. You wouldn't go to an opera and leave if you, you know, you just wouldn't. I don't think there's any other medium you want to go to Cirque du Soleil and go, oh, I don't like the way that they're, you know, swinging. So I'm going to get out of here.

00:38:45:12 - 00:39:09:01
Unknown
But if you saw a comedian that you thought was terrible, you wouldn't hesitate for a second and leave right? Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So it's we I think only when you've been on the other side do you realize that, like, we are harsh audiences. That's a lot of pressure for the comedian. Yeah. So again like how do you go through 55 minutes of maintaining that energy and engaging the crowd?

00:39:09:03 - 00:39:33:01
Unknown
Lots of the least. Not energy. Sugar, sugar and caffeine. I had a quite a storytelling narrative and an arc through my shows, so I had a clear beginning, middle and end in my second, comedy show I bought multimedia in, so I had like a little bit of a, like a it wasn't a showreel. It was basically like I had pieces to camera that like vox pops that I did on the street.

00:39:33:01 - 00:39:52:17
Unknown
So that was part of changing the level of engagement from talk, talk, talk to a different medium. I also have a lot of interaction, lots of banter. I think that helps a lot as well. But we don't always need that. Some comedians, you go on saying it's just like you just sit there and you're just like, oh, I just want to listen to you forever.

00:39:52:19 - 00:40:22:14
Unknown
I wish this show was three hours long. Yeah. And it feels like 20 minutes. Yeah. The most important, most important part is reading the room. Like, if if things are going pear shaped, you can't keep doing what you're doing. I think that was one of the biggest skills that I learned, which now has made me a really good speaker, because I can tell if the energy's off change pivot because you if the energy sucks or it's just something's just gone wrong or you've said something and it didn't go down well, you have to have that flexibility to adjust.

00:40:22:16 - 00:40:43:16
Unknown
It's crucial. And that was just something you've learned. Or is that something that's something you learn on the job? That was what I learned from doing so many five minutes. It and shows where I finished, and I was like, oh my God, that was terrible. And the next night I was, oh my God, that was amazing. It's that it's the hard moments that made me go, oh gosh, what do I have to change?

00:40:43:16 - 00:41:04:09
Unknown
What I have to do? So do you reflect on good shows and bad shows or just bad shows? It was a long time ago. Comedy. I mean, I still do it when I. Yeah. What did you what would you recommend to somebody doing it now? Like, it's definitely both thousand percent. I think we learn more from the bad because it's like, well, what actually went wrong?

00:41:04:11 - 00:41:22:03
Unknown
But we need to know, like, how do you like you finish your show? If there wasn't any laughs, it felt terrible. Yeah. But what's the process like? How do you go back through and feel myself okay. And listen back. Yeah. And definitely watch and watch to see, you know, because in comedy a lot of it comes down to the nuances.

00:41:22:03 - 00:41:45:03
Unknown
It's like, have you paused? Could you pause longer? Because often comedians will roll over their own laughs. So we are actually navigating and if I'm telling a joke to you, I'm often I can be in charge of to a degree, how much laughter is happening. So if I say a joke, right? And then I pause, that's a cue for you to go all this space for laughter.

00:41:45:05 - 00:42:09:08
Unknown
If I then decide to do like if I'm being sarcastic and then you laugh and I go like, really? That's another second beat that I can get in there, right? So you're basically getting two laughs out of one potential joke. So a lot of it does come down to the experience of going, if I just change a word or I change a tiny inflection here, or I add a little bit of a pause there, or, oh, they were about to laugh.

00:42:09:08 - 00:42:26:23
Unknown
And then I raced into the next joke. What if I just pause a little bit longer there? Or it's the pausing, the beat, the expression, the inflection. All of that is crucial. That's that. That is the that is the art form of comedy. Like if you say a really good comedian, it's not. It's not just content, it's not just what they write.

00:42:26:23 - 00:42:54:06
Unknown
It is the deliveries. Huge. Which is why you can have amazing joke. One comedian, you know, absolutely kills, which is, you know, nails it. And another completely bombs and it can all come down to delivery. So comedy is first and then public speaking. Yeah. Do you think like what lesson did you learned from learn from being a comedian that you used in public speaking?

00:42:54:09 - 00:43:21:23
Unknown
Oh, so much reading the room big one. Okay. Giving the audience what they want and what they need and understanding when to change the energy. So is that want to need to do with the energy, or is that like, what does the room want or need when you say that, what do you mean? So if if everyone's talking, I know I need to switch the energy and pivot it and stop.

00:43:22:01 - 00:43:44:04
Unknown
You know, you can't keep going if you're trying to battle against a crowd that just wants to have a moment to do something different. Or you know, if the speaker before me was really serious, I know I'm going to have to either come up right up top with the joke or I have to acknowledge what's just happened so that you're really reading what has just happened.

00:43:44:04 - 00:44:04:17
Unknown
So it can be a seamless transition. That's huge as well. It's reading every single element, you know, it's also acknowledging comedy told me to acknowledge the awkward. So it's pretty much like what's happening right now in this moment. What are you thinking? What am I thinking? What is the general consensus in the room, and how do I speak to that?

00:44:04:19 - 00:44:20:17
Unknown
And then when you do that, you're totally tuned in with your audience rather than just coming in delivering what you think you need to deliver. So let's say, a bird smashed against that window and I'm trying to just, you know, tell you all about why this is the best tripod in the world. You'd be like, is she listening to me?

00:44:20:19 - 00:44:38:20
Unknown
Like, can she not see that there was a bird like your mind would go, what's going on? How did she not hear that? How? Honestly, she half deaf, like, whatever. If I stop and go, okay, was that just literally a bird I'm tuning into? Literally what has just happened? So in that moment, I'm taking, you know, 20s out of whatever the, you know, session should be about.

00:44:38:20 - 00:44:54:11
Unknown
But we're having a moment of connection, which then can become a callback and a callback in comedies, when you come back to an original joke and you loop back around to it. So there's a lot of that stuff, like a lot of speakers are very focused on just getting through what they need to get through. But like, stuff will happen in the room, like if a mobile phone goes off.

00:44:54:11 - 00:45:09:14
Unknown
I love it. At a corporate event, a mobile phone goes off, I don't fly past it, I stop, I'm like, okay, who's mobile phone was that? And everyone just looks around. You see one person who's got their hair who's, you know, leaning down into their handbag, and then there's like someone pointing to the person next to them.

00:45:09:14 - 00:45:30:09
Unknown
They're going to them and them. And it's like, can we just get a round of applause? So the only person left their phone on amazing, amazing for you. Head up, we head up. We love you. We still want you here. So it's a turn. Something that could have been like an awkward moment into this group experience. When you first started doing the public speaking, did you record like you did with your company shows?

00:45:30:10 - 00:45:54:09
Unknown
Yes. Yeah, yeah. Not as religiously. Because timing and beats and all of that sort of like crowd work wasn't as important then. Yes. Because the crowd wasn't the judging. You expecting to be entertained? Yeah. And also, the vision is different. So if you're keynote, you know, you're there to educate. Then the educational elements are the most important.

00:45:54:09 - 00:46:19:14
Unknown
And the way that you engage, I mean, it's so important, but different objectives. One thing I find people struggle with is with education. Yeah. So there's more information out there than ever. But for one example, there's never been more information to be a healthy human, but easy accessible as well. But you how can I become healthy today?

00:46:19:19 - 00:46:40:05
Unknown
Exactly. And avoid people in the gym who what was on your list who are inconsiderate, have bad postures and waste time and it's going to give you the best response ever. And and the information is there. But heart attacks, heart disease, all that sort of stuff is on the rise. So the more information doesn't necessarily mean, you know, people are using it.

00:46:40:07 - 00:47:07:17
Unknown
So how do you take information that you get like you get employed to take a show or give a speech about this? How do you take that and give it to people so they absorb it and use it again where comedy comes in, okay. Humor helps us. It softens our heart. Right? If we if you see someone hit the stage and in a second there's a lightness or there's a warmth, we just relax when like, oh, this isn't going to be an hour of how boring we go, oh, okay, you know what?

00:47:07:17 - 00:47:32:19
Unknown
We're going to have a decent time. So that immediately is definitely a first point. And also it depends on the audience. But I do think that laughter leads to more engagement in all instances. Okay. Because we're more receptive and we're more open minded. And when we're more open minded and we're more relaxed, we're more able to see different perspectives.

00:47:32:21 - 00:47:54:01
Unknown
Most of what you've been saying is you being able to, I guess, pay attention and listen, may want to I thought I have to explain that to you, but you got it. Thank you. Okay. But a lot of people will walk in the room, not pay attention anything, not notice the things that annoy him, all that sort of stuff.

00:47:54:01 - 00:48:17:21
Unknown
So I see everything. Yeah. So how do people start learning how to see everything? Good question. Because I think it's very important to living a long, healthy, happy life. Yeah. But so yeah. Good question. How do you start to notice the small details. And how do you start to notice the subtle, I think there's an exercise that I love by one of my favorite teachers, and she always is.

00:48:17:21 - 00:48:35:19
Unknown
Have a look around and notice three things you haven't noticed. Her name, son, is your kid. She's awesome. And that's an exercise that I think would be a good place to start to train yourself. So just getting to a room is like, what haven't I noticed? Because it forces you to become present in the moment. And then you see new things like Jack, tell me, what are three things you, haven't noticed before in this room, I notice everything.

00:48:35:23 - 00:48:52:05
Unknown
Oh. Come on. Okay. The light up at the top there along the. Yeah. Curtain rail.

00:48:52:07 - 00:49:15:07
Unknown
Told you'll notice everything. Okay. When things good or not good enough. Yeah. Right. I think that's a good exercise. But even that stopped me and like I sort of almost disconnected from this whole podcast and I'm like okay what else. Yeah. Yeah yeah. So we just want to train ourselves to see everything. I think it all comes back to how do you see things in a different way?

00:49:15:07 - 00:49:42:04
Unknown
How do you open your own perspective so that you can? Because if we just stay in our own lanes and our own view like it's great, comfortable, but it's like we don't grow. And I think that's very important. Yeah. Because people can get stuck in rabbit holes again, social media, all that sort of stuff. YouTube people start watching a video on a certain topic, politics, money, all that sort of stuff, and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, you know, this is happening.

00:49:42:04 - 00:50:03:07
Unknown
And so yeah, I think trying to disconnect from that and see the rest of the world and bringing humor to it is a good point. So and also also mindfulness. Mindfulness was a big part in my in my journey. And as soon as I started to practice mindfulness I was like, oh my God, the sky is blue. Oh my gosh, I can feel the sun on my arms.

00:50:03:07 - 00:50:25:11
Unknown
Oh my gosh, that green of the grass is so vibrant. That was huge. How do you start like talk more about that mindfulness? I started with body scans like just, audio body scans and just, like, tuning into different parts of my body. And then, when I started years ago, I was like, I can't. How do I become.

00:50:25:13 - 00:50:45:15
Unknown
My mind's already full. There's so much going on. I want to do this. But then as soon as you move past the I'm fighting, I'm fighting, I'm fighting this. And you start to see that you're starting to actually see things differently to mazing. If you had a room so you do get employed to give by education. What sort of stuff.

00:50:45:16 - 00:51:08:23
Unknown
Yeah. But you had a thousand people sitting there and it's you challenge you, you can give a speech on anything you want to help. Then what would you give. I one of my things that I love to talk about is how I accidentally became a magician. I actually, I, I unexpectedly and accidentally became a magician. As you know, you live in Melbourne.

00:51:08:23 - 00:51:28:06
Unknown
We had more lockdowns than any other city in the entire world during which time I painted everything in my apartment in glitter, glue and sparkles. And it got to lockdown. I can't remember what number it was and I had, like maxed out my crafting capacity. I was like, I'm done. If there's glitter everywhere, I got nothing else. I got no more creativity in my tank.

00:51:28:08 - 00:51:42:14
Unknown
And I was given a challenge. And the challenge was try something new and be beginner. And I'm like, what else can I do? Like I've done everything. And so I thought, I wonder if I could learn magic. And so I went onto YouTube and I typed in kids magic trick learn and I learned how to make it crayon disappear.

00:51:42:14 - 00:52:06:08
Unknown
And I just fell head over heels in love. And I was just like, the wonder and the joy and the surprise of that experience made me go, I need to take this to more people, because it's amazing. So that story of reconnecting with that inner child, that inner joy, that inner light, that inner spark, and knowing that we can control how connected we are to that in every single moment based on how playful we are.

00:52:06:10 - 00:52:24:22
Unknown
That is what I love to present on one of the things that I love. So I mean, what's the message to those thousand people in the room? Find what lights your heart on fire and do it. Find what makes your spirit sing and do it. And most importantly, don't ever lose connection with your the power of play in the sense of play, because that keeps us young.

00:52:24:22 - 00:52:47:13
Unknown
And that is for me. That disconnected me from the madness in the chaos that was all around me. Because when we find an activity that makes us so joyful and we get so immersed in it, and again comes back to what we were saying about confidence at the start, and we lose track of time. Nothing can impact us emotionally when we are super connected to that deep, deep spirit.

00:52:47:13 - 00:53:09:02
Unknown
Love, joy in a child, whatever you want to call it. So the power plays. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. Jonah, thanks for coming on. Oh my pleasure. Where can people find you? Everything you doing? Oh good question. Jordan. A beacon that I you on Instagram as well. You'll tag me? I try to spell it, but it's pretty hard. Yeah.

00:53:09:02 - 00:53:32:14
Unknown
Instagram. You can find me. Taught me to Google. I'm everywhere. And I think you've just released or releasing a podcast. Yes. Brand new podcast drops next week called Feel Your Confidence, where every second week I interview amazing speakers and mics and people I've met from the industry and then every other week it is me talking about failures, lessons, learnings that have helped me on my own journey.

00:53:32:16 - 00:53:49:03
Unknown
Perfect. By the time this episode drops your first episode will be at the link in the show notes, and maybe you can go and listen or watch YouTube as well. Yes. Sweet. Amazing. All right. Thanks again. Thank you. Look at glitter chess. Look at that. Yes. Amazing sign of a good episode. Awesome.

00:53:53:10 - 00:53:58:09
Unknown
Down.

00:53:58:11 - 00:54:03:12
Unknown
Wow.